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Please bear with me on this post. I am doing it from my phone during a school event for my daughter (she has already been recognized so I'm not missing anything).

Last year, spring or early summer, I was asked by a neighbor to dispatch a copperhead snake who had decided to curl up under a picnic table. She has small children and small dogs, so leaving the poisonous snake alone was not an option.

I didn't feel like digging our my CCI .22 LR shot loads (nor did I want to use them since they are hard to come by nowadays), so just grabbed my Ruger 22/45 Lite, mounted the suppressor to it, and dispatched the snake.

I then decided I needed to pick up .410, which I did a few months later. However, though much better for dispatching snakes, it is still too loud for use in my neighborhood.

Then a recent post here got me thinking. If a .22 shot she'll was good for snakes up close, a .327 Federal Magnum should be much better, given a bigger case capacity.

I looked on the Web and found a recommendation to use 3 grains of Alliant Unique. I used a CCI 500 small pistol promer, the 3 grains of Unique, a dry felt wad, then filled the case with #9 lead shot. I then poured it out to measure it, and looking and behold, it was exactly 50 grains! I topped the shot off with a thin card wad, and sealed it with a touch of glue.

Well, I wasn't patient enough to wait to try it, so put a blank piece of paper on my indoor target box (in my basement), and crudely drew a quick snake on it. I stepped back about 7 feet and let the shot go. Here are the results:
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Barely any report at all! Like a "cat's sneeze" load for shot. This will work great for snakes and won't disturb the neighbors (or cause an unwanted visited from John Law).

Now I need to load up at least a dozen more! :)
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Looks about perfect! 8)
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Dead snake for sure!!
Have used 22- 38 & 45 c all with snake shot with deadly results, my favorite is the S&W 642
stick it in the back pocket & its always ready


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Jay , looks like you found a good load. I have a bunch of CCI .22 shot and I keep .38spl, .44spl and .45 Colt shot shells loaded up to use. Most of our bad snakes are copperheads and cottonmouths. I know our Ark Game and Fish passed a law protecting all snakes but when it is to close to the house it is no longer protected.
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Green snakes are harmless. No need to kill them. They make nice pets.
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I shot a 5'-4" rattler a few years back with 2 snake loads at about 6'....just ticked him off....
had to use a semi wadcutter to do the job....sucker was fat!
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I still use a long handled hoe for a walking staff. I glue a threaded insert into the handle end and install a Hilti fastener for steel to give it a grip on rock. Then I sharpen the blade and cover it for safety. I've only had to use it once but it turned that snake into bite size pieces real quick.
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If you can find some, 12 shot is the key to dense patterns. I use it in my 44 Mag and 45 Colt in the Speer shot capsules with some Unique and they don't require a second shot!

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Several years ago I stopped at a gun shop in N. Fla and found CCI factory snake shots in 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. I have no idea how they work or if they'll function.

I have used .38 and .44 Speer loads to good effect.

If Ruger would come out with a 77/327 I could see myself buying a bunch of .327 handguns to go with it.
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JerryB wrote:Jay , looks like you found a good load. I have a bunch of CCI .22 shot and I keep .38spl, .44spl and .45 Colt shot shells loaded up to use. Most of our bad snakes are copperheads and cottonmouths. I know our Ark Game and Fish passed a law protecting all snakes but when it is to close to the house it is no longer protected.
Same here. If they are on my land, they are no longer protected!
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2571 wrote:Green snakes are harmless. No need to kill them. They make nice pets.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Only pen I had available.

Seriously though, I only kill the poisonous ones. It drives my wife nuts that I actually relocate black snakes to our yard. As I explain to her, they eat copperheads: they are "good snakes"! :D
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Ray wrote:You might want to try some finer #11/12 shot in your .32......Another advantage of the finer shot is less property damage if you have to shoot one indoors.....When wearing the white suit of armor and coming to the aid of a poor widows/spinsters/single moms, etc. who have found snakes inside their homes, I would not dream of shooting a snake with a bullet or the heavier #7.5 to #9s of typical factory or homemade shells but I have shot several snakes indoors with the rim fires and they scarcely scratched paint/varnish/ drywall paper etc.....I did have to replace a $5 cold water plastic fill tube under one old lady's bathroom sink vanity after dispatching a rattler but she was happy all the same !....
Michaux wrote:If you can find some, 12 shot is the key to dense patterns. I use it in my 44 Mag and 45 Colt in the Speer shot capsules with some Unique and they don't require a second shot!
I agree. The smallest shot size I had at home was #9. I will need to pick up some smaller and try those. I'll report back here for sure! :D a
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williamranks wrote:I still use a long handled hoe for a walking staff. I glue a threaded insert into the handle end and install a Hilti fastener for steel to give it a grip on rock. Then I sharpen the blade and cover it for safety. I've only had to use it once but it turned that snake into bite size pieces real quick.
I was tempted to grab my Cold Steel katana... 8)
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williamranks wrote:I still use a long handled hoe for a walking staff. I glue a threaded insert into the handle end and install a Hilti fastener for steel to give it a grip on rock. Then I sharpen the blade and cover it for safety. I've only had to use it once but it turned that snake into bite size pieces real quick.
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For out and about walking I use the old, often written about snake loads in 44spl, uses a couple of gas checks and no-8 shot, sounds like you found a newer load for the 327, it should work wonders
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My favorite snake load is a .308 cartridge cut back to 41 mm, run through a 45 ACP sizing die, then the first 15mm through a .44 mag sizing die, then a stout load of Red Dot, then an 11mm thin leather disc over the powder, plus 240 grains of # 7 shot. I top the thing with a .44 gas check turned bottom up and crimp it. Some white glue on top and I shoot this using half-moon clips in a S&W .45 ACP M-1950 revolver. Works very well. Another load is a .357 shell, a stout load of Red Dot, a .357 gas check bottom-down over the powder, #7 shot and another gas-check over the shot. I shoot this in a short barreled Ruger Speed Six.
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Machado wrote:My favorite snake load is a .308 cartridge cut back to 41 mm, run through a 45 ACP sizing die, then the first 15mm through a .44 mag sizing die, then a stout load of Red Dot, then an 11mm thin leather disc over the powder, plus 240 grains of # 7 shot. I top the thing with a .44 gas check turned bottom up and crimp it. Some white glue on top and I shoot this using half-moon clips in a S&W .45 ACP M-1950 revolver. Works very well. Another load is a .357 shell, a stout load of Red Dot, a .357 gas check bottom-down over the powder, #7 shot and another gas-check over the shot. I shoot this in a short barreled Ruger Speed Six.
That .357 load could be changed up a tad and used in a .38 special brass.....
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BlaineG wrote:
Machado wrote:My favorite snake load is a .308 cartridge cut back to 41 mm, run through a 45 ACP sizing die, then the first 15mm through a .44 mag sizing die, then a stout load of Red Dot, then an 11mm thin leather disc over the powder, plus 240 grains of # 7 shot. I top the thing with a .44 gas check turned bottom up and crimp it. Some white glue on top and I shoot this using half-moon clips in a S&W .45 ACP M-1950 revolver. Works very well. Another load is a .357 shell, a stout load of Red Dot, a .357 gas check bottom-down over the powder, #7 shot and another gas-check over the shot. I shoot this in a short barreled Ruger Speed Six.
That .357 load could be changed up a tad and used in a .38 special brass.....
Yes, Blaine. I reduce the powder charge to shoot it in a 2" Model 36 S&W. Results are quite acceptable.
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Not very easily found in the US but common in the UK and Europe, the 9mm flobert rimfire would make an excellent venomous snake dispatcher. ( don't ask how I know ).
Jay, that load you worked up looks fine for such jobs too!.... 8)
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One thing I learned when I was living near the Hassayampa river west of Buckeye, AZ.
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A good sharp hoe or long handle shovel does a fine job if you can get to the snake. That load with the .327 sounds good to me. PillHer has a .327 and we sometimes have snakes around. I think she will have a snake load very soon, but poisonous snakes are pretty rare where we live. We had a Copperhead in our yard one time, but it didn't do well with a few Crossman wadcutter .177 pellets in it. I checked it after it was dead, and it was indeed a Copperhead, and not one of the snakes which merely looks really similar.

She had a rat snake drop out of our pear tree onto her shoulders one time. By the time she got done screaming and chopping with the hoe, there wasn't much left of the snake. When a snake wants to commit suicide by scared woman, who am I to try to stop it? Yes, she carries a hoe when in the yard a lot of the time so that she can weed the flower beds.
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Well, the #9 shot worked well, but I loaded one with #4 shot, and it would be about worthless! It darn-near formed a perfect circle around the target!
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Jay, that load just may work if you can get him to coil for you!!!!!!!!!!!!
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