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Winchester Model 94 Scope Mount ? (Completed) :-)

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What brand scope mount is this?
If so are they still available?
How exactly do they attach?
I would imagine a scout/EER type scope has to be used for this setup.
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Well, that gold ring around the tube says Leupold and probably 2.5X. Yes it would be EER or Scout Scope but I don't recognize that mount. Someone who does will be along soon.
I like the concept but it's right where I want my hand for carrying and it makes the rifle more muzzle heavy so the balance point is right through the scope. It may not bother you at all. ]
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I don't think I'll do it.
My 1943 has no additional holes for any type of add on sight's, nor sling for that matter.
And it's going to stay that way under my stewardship.
I just thought this was an interesting way of adding a low power optic without D&T'ing.
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cshold wrote:
What brand scope mount is this ?

If so are they still available ?

How exactly do they attach ? - It looks like the rear end of the mount is anchored to the rear barrel open sight dovetail with an adaptor. The ring are QD, via operating the ring's lower lever.

I would imagine a scout/EER type scope has to be used for this setup. - Not necessarily. Often, due to the difference between varied human's ergonomics, a LER (long eye relief, like that Leupold ) pistol scope would give a better/fuller sight picture than an IER (Intermediate Eye Relief) "scout" scope.


Leupold usually stamps each scope's objective end ring with the scope model and magnification (M8-2x or M8- 3x, in your case).


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I'm not sure, but I believe that is the original Leupold forward mount from the early 1970'. Made to go with one of their early long eye relief scopes. The barrel had to be drilled and tapped for this mount. They are not often encountered today, but I do not know if they are collectible. Always had a soft spot for them. Remember reading about them in the late 1970's, when I first started buying gun magazines. By the time I was old enough to afford one, the mount was out of production.
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Maybe something like this?: http://mod94scoperail.com/installation.html PS Merry Christmas!
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slimster wrote:Maybe something like this?: http://mod94scoperail.com/installation.html PS Merry Christmas!
That's actually a slick little setup... 8)
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cshold wrote:What brand scope mount is this?
If so are they still available?
How exactly do they attach?
I would imagine a scout/EER type scope has to be used for this setup.


Here, why don't you take a look at the thread that I posted my picture in in the first place:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44190
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Molasses wrote:
cshold wrote:What brand scope mount is this?
If so are they still available?
How exactly do they attach?
I would imagine a scout/EER type scope has to be used for this setup.


Here, why don't you take a look at the thread that I posted my picture in in the first place:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44190
Thanks. :)
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Leupold Detacho rings and base, not for sale for years. Jeff Cooper talked about the handiness. Sweet ol school mount.
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Palmtreee wrote:Leupold Detacho rings and base, not for sale for years. Jeff Cooper talked about the handiness. Sweet ol school mount.
"not for sale for years."

Unfortunately :(
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cshold wrote:
Palmtreee wrote:Leupold Detacho rings and base, not for sale for years. Jeff Cooper talked about the handiness. Sweet ol school mount.
"not for sale for years."

Unfortunately :(
I've gotten a couple more Detacho mount sets since that earlier thread. Was especially happy to find one for my Remington Model 600.

It's no harder than keeping an eye open on Ebay...
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I have been using the Pearson and it has been fine so far and is a no drill. It was nice to see 1.5 inch groups again too! I really like the Burris scout also.
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Molasses wrote:
cshold wrote:
Palmtreee wrote:Leupold Detacho rings and base, not for sale for years. Jeff Cooper talked about the handiness. Sweet ol school mount.
"not for sale for years."

Unfortunately :(
I've gotten a couple more Detacho mount sets since that earlier thread. Was especially happy to find one for my Remington Model 600.

It's no harder than keeping an eye open on Ebay...
Set of rings on there now. No base yet.
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I knew an older Gent that used the Leupold Detacho setup with good results years ago. I thought it was drilled into a sight blank and the forearm band. That would stop my using it on a unmolested pre 64.
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EdinCT wrote:I have been using the Pearson and it has been fine so far and is a no drill. It was nice to see 1.5 inch groups again too! I really like the Burris scout also.
Decided to go this route.
Just ordered one. :)
Ed, what brand rings, low, med. or high are you using?
I'm definitely going with a vintage Leupold M8.
Haven't decided on a 2x, 2.5x or 3x.
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Going by my fuzzy memory I seem to recall that Bushnell had what was probably the first "scout scope" concept waaaayyy back when they first introduced their Phantom handgun scope. Long eye relief scope mounted ahead of the receiver. The first Phantom was 1.5X, again IIRC.
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CS, I have a medium set of cheap Weaver's on it now but don't like them. When I get some extra jingle in the spring I hope to try some like these. it would be nice to be able to pop the scope off in a down pour and use the Williams peep.
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Wintertime project to date.
Step one complete.
Ring's ordered and on the way.
Still researching and deciding on what scout scope to purchase.

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cshold wrote:
Still researching and deciding on what scout scope to purchase.

You would be well served, if you first figure out what scope would work the best for YOUR ergonomics.

First, use any old scope to determine about where on the rail, that the rearmost end of a scope would be positioned when mounted, then temporarily mark the spot with a small piece of tape - then hold the gun as if you're going to fire it.

Second, while holding the gun in firing position, have another person measure (ruler) the distance between your eye and the mark, notating the 9", 10", whatever.

Once you have that measurement, simply start surfing the various scope's tech specs for each one's eye relief/eye distance spec.



"Normal" riflescopes will usually have anywhere from 3-1/2" to 5" eye relief, depending upon the scope/maker.

"Scout" (IER - intermediate eye relief) scopes will have about 7-1/2"-9" eye relief, also depending upon the scope/maker.

"Handgun" (EER - extended eye relief) scopes have eye relief "windows", depending upon the scope/maker - like 9"to 17", or 11"to 21".




The Gold Standard would be a scope that will give the shooter a clear/ full sight picture, and not a partial sight picture, or "black out".

IME, I've found that variable scopes, and/or scopes having more than 3x, make the scout mount scenario more difficult to use than it needs to be.

FWIW, a good place, with great folks to deal with, for checking scopes is http://www.swfa.com - where I've bought several scopes that carried a deep discount, over the past 10 or so years.

ALWAYS check swfa's weekly "specials", for a really low cost - a few years ago, I was able to buy a (new) $729 Trijicon Accupoint Safari variable scope for $399.


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Hit the scope lottery last evening.
A Leupold M8 2X EER it is.

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The classic M8 arrived today.
Seems to be in excellent condition.

Question:
Anyone know what the reason for the two little dimples at either end of the tube are all about?


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It's finished...
Range report soon...
I realize putting a scope on a pre 64 model 94 is totally tabu...
I have 55+ year old eye sight & with today's antler restrictions, I need a scope...


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Nice! :D Looking forward to the range report.

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w30wcf wrote:Nice! :D Looking forward to the range report.

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Today I installed a Handmade Buffalo hide sling and concluding my 2016 winter project.
Now a wait till the snow melts and a very anticipated trip to the range.

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First Range Report...

194? Winchester model 94 30-30
Leupold M8 2x scope.

Ammo. 30-30 150 gr. P.P.

Initial sight in done at home with a 30-30 laser bore sighter.
(Very little scope 'range' adjustment needed)

First 3 shots #2 (bottom target, on the bench)

Next 3 shots #1 (center target, on the bench)

Next 3 shots SS (top target, off bench, sitting position, back against post, elbows on knee's)

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Looking really good :D Hows she handle? Shoot them targets at a hunnert?
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That is looking awesome, both gun & targets!!Was shooting some scoped 99s this weekend
my eyes at 60 + do like the scopes



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Ben_Rumson wrote:Looking really good :D Hows she handle? Shoot them targets at a hunnert?
Thanks Ben.

I'm really liking the way this little Rifle setup handles.
Absolutely perfect for the type of PA. Deer hunting I do. (Brush hunting, 50 yards is a long shot)
I can see this one making it through the downsizing cut and being my Deer Rifle in my retirement years.
All the above target shots were at 50 yards.
I rarely shoot much past 50 yards anymore.
No real reason to.
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ollogger wrote:That is looking awesome, both gun & targets!!Was shooting some scoped 99s this weekend
my eyes at 60 + do like the scopes



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Open sights, I'd of been spraying all over the black of those targets.
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Not so much anymore.
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cshold wrote:First Range Report...

194? Winchester model 94 30-30
Leupold M8 2x scope.

Ammo. 30-30 150 gr. P.P.

Initial sight in done at home with a 30-30 laser bore sighter.
(Very little scope 'range' adjustment needed)

First 3 shots #2 (bottom target, on the bench)

Next 3 shots #1 (center target, on the bench)

Next 3 shots SS (top target, off bench, sitting position, back against post, elbows on knee's)

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BlaineG wrote:
cshold wrote: I'd generously like to help test that rifle for you......15 years should do it, AND I'll pay shipping BOTH ways.
Lord willing, I'm planning to make meat with this one in December :wink:
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Lookin' good. Nice not having to drill extraneous holes in the receiver!
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Griff wrote:Lookin' good. Nice not having to drill extraneous holes in the receiver!
And not having to hold your head at an odd angle for a side mount.
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That will do! I am still happy with mine and look forward to using it in the fall.
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EdinCT wrote:That will do! I am still happy with mine and look forward to using it in the fall.
Long live the top throwers into a hunter's mid 50's & beyond 8)
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Now it's done :)
Set of home made leather scope covers.

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Not normally a premium ammo. shooting kinda guy.
Decided on a whim to purchase and give this brand a try.
Will see if it's just $ wasted.
Reviews are very positive anyway.


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Wish Pearson had a setup like that for a 1941 Winchester M70. That one had 2 screw holes at the top front of the receiver and 2 holes at the left side of the rear receiver which doubled as peep sight mount. Mine currently has a Lyman sight that looks about as old as the rifle. Would love to mount a scope on it without having to drill more holes in it! :(
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cshold wrote:
The classic M8 arrived today.

Question: Anyone know what the reason for the two little dimples at either end of the tube are all about?


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They are the (now sealed) ports used for filling the scope/tube with an inert gas (usually nitrogen) - after the scope's assembled, the gas is fed into one port until it bleeds out the 2nd port, then both are sealed.


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A big thanks for the scope info. Pete
Very cool, I had no idea. 8)
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That came out beautiful 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Thanks Ben.
Very pleased all the way around with the outcome of this project.
Maintains the classic levergun looks and handling characteristics with the optical advantage for older eye's. Exactly what I was looking for.
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Tell me about a couple of things on your old 194? 94. is it marked 30wcf? is the hammer checkering in a little square? I have one in almost new condition that first dated 1939 then other sites put it as a 1943 so I don't know what it really dates at.
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JerryB wrote:Tell me about a couple of things on your old 194? 94. is it marked 30wcf? is the hammer checkering in a little square? I have one in almost new condition that first dated 1939 then other sites put it as a 1943 so I don't know what it really dates at.
Jerry, pull the forearm and feed tube off, the manufacture date ought to be stamped under the barrel near the receiver. HTH
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JerryB wrote:Tell me about a couple of things on your old 194? 94. is it marked 30wcf? is the hammer checkering in a little square? I have one in almost new condition that first dated 1939 then other sites put it as a 1943 so I don't know what it really dates at.

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This guy did an awesome job on making his own mount for this model 71 .348 win.


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CS...the guy with the 71 still drilled two extra holes on the left side of the receiver. If I was gonna go that far, I'd drill one more and put a side mount on it.

Those Pearson mounts are nice. With a little Italian ingenuity you can make em work for other leverguns also. I used a Leupold matt finished one on my turkey rifle.----6

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