disaster! a girl, a grizzly and a 30/30

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Fri May 29, 2015 11:42 am

disaster for the bear, that is. 7 foot grizzly, 30 wcf, remington 150 gr, through the heart and down it went.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Fri May 29, 2015 11:58 am

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri May 29, 2015 12:01 pm

Excellent!

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Fri May 29, 2015 12:02 pm

Now We ALL know that this is impossible with the armor plated critters that now roam North America.......

........So now PLEASE tell us the REST of the story.

.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri May 29, 2015 12:21 pm

I guess nobody told her different. ...

Lassiter · Post by **Lassiter** » Fri May 29, 2015 1:43 pm

BlaineG wrote:I guess nobody told her different. ...

It's a good thing she(and the bear) didn't know how hopelessly under gunned she was. That could have ended badly.

That's cool!!

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri May 29, 2015 1:50 pm

A clear and cut case of a complete lack of more is better syndrome. Excellent.

N.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri May 29, 2015 2:38 pm

It's a good thing that bear didn't read all the stories about the thuty thuty being old and underpowered.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri May 29, 2015 3:00 pm

I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with the bear.

The bear eventually dies, but not after tearing up Clint pretty bad. But Clint's son is saved.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Fri May 29, 2015 3:03 pm

jeepnik wrote:I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with the bear.

The bear eventually dies, but not after tearing up Clint pretty bad. But Clint's son is saved.

i remember that one....seemed pretty scarey at the time.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Fri May 29, 2015 5:38 pm

Lassiter wrote:
BlaineG wrote:I guess nobody told her different. ...

It's a good thing she(and the bear) didn't know how hopelessly under gunned she was. That could have ended badly.

That's cool!!

Yeah, darn good thing bears can't read!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri May 29, 2015 11:55 pm

Bears can read... and write... at least well enough to issue citations... it's bruins that can't read... even those that graduate from USC!

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Sat May 30, 2015 10:27 am

jeepnik wrote:I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with the bear.

The bear eventually dies, but not after tearing up Clint pretty bad. But Clint's son is saved.

Yes, but if you actually paid attention when watching the movie..... He states he will be hunting with a 44-40...... NOT A 30-30. His gun is a Winchester 92 NOT a 94. Frankly, I'd much rather have a 30-30 than a 44-40. But for a 12 foot bear, I think I would break out the 86 Winchester in 50-110.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sat May 30, 2015 10:59 am

buckeyeshooter wrote:
jeepnik wrote:I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with the bear.

The bear eventually dies, but not after tearing up Clint pretty bad. But Clint's son is saved.
Yes, but if you actually paid attention when watching the movie..... He states he will be hunting with a 44-40...... NOT A 30-30. His gun is a Winchester 92 NOT a 94. Frankly, I'd much rather have a 30-30 than a 44-40. But for a 12 foot bear, I think I would break out the 86 Winchester in 50-110.

Now that would be a much better choice!

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat May 30, 2015 11:54 am

Griff wrote:Bears can read... and write... at least well enough to issue citations... it's bruins that can't read... even those that graduate from USC!

No, most Bruins can read, it's just the one's on sports scholarships that can't.

crs · Post by **crs** » Sat May 30, 2015 12:18 pm

Shot placement wins again!

Good shooting girl!

jruppert2 · Post by **jruppert2** » Sat May 30, 2015 12:38 pm

And the rifle's not even scoped!

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Sat May 30, 2015 1:36 pm

jruppert2 wrote:And the rifle's not even scoped!

Oh no... Say it isn't so...

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Sat May 30, 2015 1:46 pm

Congratulations to that young lady! Nice bear and good shooting with a fine rifle.

Yeah, I would have opted for one of my '86s but that bear wouldn't have been any deader.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Sat May 30, 2015 1:49 pm

Nice shot Kiddo!!!

jb

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun May 31, 2015 5:06 pm

When the .30WCF 1st came out, Winchester advertised it as a grizzly cartridge. Years later when the .348WCF arrived, it was touted as an excellent choice for all Alaskan game. Either will do the job if you know how to hunt and shoot. That girl is a true hunter and shooter, bet no "experts" will convince her, that the 30-30 ain't ENOUGH GUN.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:12 pm

buckeyeshooter wrote:
jeepnik wrote:I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with the bear.

The bear eventually dies, but not after tearing up Clint pretty bad. But Clint's son is saved.
Yes, but if you actually paid attention when watching the movie..... He states he will be hunting with a 44-40...... NOT A 30-30. His gun is a Winchester 92 NOT a 94. Frankly, I'd much rather have a 30-30 than a 44-40. But for a 12 foot bear, I think I would break out the 86 Winchester in 50-110.

Old 44-40 RIFLE loads where actually close to original .30WCF, perhaps a bit better.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:38 pm

Kudos to the young lady. A good shot over open sights.

Must have been an exciting day.

Maybe it's just me, but that bear doesn't look particularly healthy.

daisygordoninc · Post by **daisygordoninc** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:54 pm

My Great Aunt on my mom's side lived in the Yukon as a young bride, her husband was gone much of the time, worked on a
boat several months of the year. She trapped and mined for gold, had nothing but a 30-30 like many of her age group at the
time. She did kill grizzlies with it along with everything else that got in her way or her traps. I used to love to hear her stories
when I was a kid, wished she had written a book, but she did not.

Combat Diver · Post by **Combat Diver** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:40 pm

Kudos to the young lass!

CD

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:35 pm

they were hunting black bear, spotted one that came in but was acting really nervous........then this grizzly charged out and off went the black bear......and off went the 30/30 !

black bear had two close calls that day......lucky bear

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:36 pm

Daisy, I know I've read of one single mother during the gold rush up there....husband died not too long after getting them settled in. She took his Winchester 94 and two boxes of ammo, and survived for a couple years with it. She'd (if I remember right) ambush moose and caribou I believe coming to drink from the nearby stream.

She was all of 5'1" or so with two little kids, one moose would feed them a LONG time. I bet getting it back (even in pieces) was real interesting.

From what I remember she traded for ammo with people passing through and still never went through more than maybe 80 rounds in a couple years. 2-3 shots per moose probably (finishing rounds, etc).

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:48 pm

She did GREAT, what part of AK?.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:54 pm

Paladin wrote:She did GREAT, what part of AK?.

out toward tok, near northway, east of anchorage, along the Glenn highway.

Tactical Lever · Post by **Tactical Lever** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:00 am

.45colt wrote:Now We ALL know that this is impossible with the armor plated critters that now roam North America....... ........So now PLEASE tell us the REST of the story. .

I'm pretty sure some of the "experts" on some of the forums would've turned the gun on themselves, just to avoid ticking off the bear...

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:46 am

don't make her mad.

tman · Post by **tman** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:13 pm

Funny how a little girl can take a grizz with a 30-30, but a real "HE MAN' needs at least a .338 MAG, shooting premium bullets, looking thru a Moon scope. Please don't let the gun rag industry see this post

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:48 pm

Hers are bigger than mine! However I carry my 32 Special in bear country.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:23 pm

Wow, that had to have been the thrill of her young life!

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:48 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:Wow, that had to have been the thrill of her young life!

My friend said it really was !! :

wvfarrier · Post by **wvfarrier** » Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:40 am

Dang. Color me jealous!!!!

samb · Post by **samb** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:51 am

Congrats on her Bear, nice shooting!

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:19 pm

Great picture!

Do you have any info on the bullet performance, like how deep it went, if it hit any bones, if it maintained weight well etc? Do we know what the bear weighed?

The Remington bullets seem to work OK. I've used the Remington 180 gr '06 bullets on a lengthwise shot on a deer. About 3 feet of penetration and kept most of its weight.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:41 pm

Malamute wrote:Great picture!

Do you have any info on the bullet performance, like how deep it went, if it hit any bones, if it maintained weight well etc? Do we know what the bear weighed?

The Remington bullets seem to work OK. I've used the Remington 180 gr '06 bullets on a lengthwise shot on a deer. About 3 feet of penetration and kept most of its weight.

bullet passed all the way through , passing through the heart. hit ribs, but didnt hit large bones. was remington 150 gr core lock. not sure on the bears estimated weight, but will ask and then post it here.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:50 pm

bear's weight estimated 350-400 pounds. not a really big one, but still impressively large.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:04 pm

Thanks! Sounds like excellent bullet performance. Cant argue with success!

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:14 pm

the range was close [ tree stand/platform] and this, and young sharp eyes, aided bullet placement as well as optimizing energy.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:38 pm

People don't realize how much gun you don't need. This was a 7 foot Griz in Montana with a 25-35. Once between they eyes is just right...

J35 · Post by **J35** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:28 pm

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... f=1&t=6201

-----J

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:50 am

Shrapnel wrote:People don't realize how much gun you don't need. This was a 7 foot Griz in Montana with a 25-35. Once between they eyes is just right...

Yeah, plenty enough for between the eyes, but what if you don't have that luxury?

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:09 pm

*150gr Core Lokt* I love it. I like the 170s, but only because they were the first ones I shot, and they shot good. I don't tinker much.

piller · Post by **piller** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:28 pm

In WWII, Audie Murphy went after, and killed, a German sniper with a .30 Carbine. It isn't necessarily the gun. If the person shooting it is accurate, then there is much less need for excessive power. This young girl proved it once again.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:47 pm

BlaineG wrote:*150gr Core Lokt* I love it. I like the 170s, but only because they were the first ones I shot, and they shot good. I don't tinker much.

at times i tinker a lot. but honestly other than entertaining me [ and sometimes frustrating me ] I don't think it makes any practical difference.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:07 pm

piller wrote:In WWII, Audie Murphy went after, and killed, a German sniper with a .30 Carbine. It isn't necessarily the gun. If the person shooting it is accurate, then there is much less need for excessive power. This young girl proved it once again.

Agreed, but there still has to be a minimum power level for a humane kill.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:53 pm

Merle wrote:
piller wrote:In WWII, Audie Murphy went after, and killed, a German sniper with a .30 Carbine. It isn't necessarily the gun. If the person shooting it is accurate, then there is much less need for excessive power. This young girl proved it once again.

Agreed, but there still has to be a minimum power level for a humane kill.

If true, who and what determines humane? Gun rags, for years tout the 30-06 as too light for brown bear, but the 300WM. just fine

. I don't see anything hit with either truly knowing the difference. The huntress proved, that, in her hands, the 30-30 is humane.