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As from today the British police are starting unannounced visits to gun owners to make sure all legally owned guns are kept in accordance with the strict security rules. Our biggest shooting organisation, BASC, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation has stated that gun owners should cooperate with the police. There is also a call centre set up for members of the public to report any gun owner that "they think" might be a risk to public safety.
So far the police have no right of entry and must fully explain why they are requesting to check on our security.
Very few legally owned firearms are stolen each year but the police say they are worried that legally owned guns may be targeted by criminals and terrorists.
This was not necessary in Britain before we opened the flood gates to every low life from the rest of the worlds third rate countries.
My first shotgun required a 10 shilling (50p)licence from any post office and could be kept behind the kitchen door, it is sad how times have changed....
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"This was not necessary in Britain before we opened the flood gates to every low life from the rest of the worlds third rate countries. "
There's a mouthful. I think the Dutch are close behind in the matter of immigration policy regrets.
I am sorry you have to put up with this level of police intrusion -- and that there are more than enough would-be jihadists now prospering in your country.
game keeper wrote:Very few legally owned firearms are stolen each year but the police say they are worried that legally owned guns may be targeted by criminals and terrorists.
Well, the Police are acting as Criminals and/or Terrorists now, so really, they are right...
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws "first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Lassiter wrote:Wow! Kinda makes me wonder how far away from the same thing we might be in this country.........
Closer than you might imagine....
Massachusetts has "safe storage" laws for firearms. Any violation is a feloney = lifetime FEDERAL prohibition of firearms possesion.
There are unannounced visits to check on compliance, not named as such, but any ems or other emergency personnel who enters your home to render services will immediately notify law enforcement if there is any sign of firearms that are not locked up.
At the very least, your permits and firearms are gone forever.
My Neighbor passed away in CT about 8 years ago and the responding trooper told his son that he was instructed to remove any guns seen unlocked from the home of the deceased! In the USA no less !!
EdinCT I have heard that it is common for crooks to target homes of the newly deceased in order to loot the place for guns. When my Dad passed, we were given the same advice regarding guns.
GK, this is grim news, and I am sorry to hear it. Maybe it's time to migrate to a more gun friendly place...if you can make it to Texas, I'll set you up with some tacos and tamales and all the nopalitos you can eat.
And what stand on this is the UK NRA taking? Absolutely none - same as it did when the various bans on self loading rifles and pistols were in prospect. If you don't wear Harris tweed and a bush hat and shoot a 7.62 at 1000 yards the NRA has no interest in you and your rights whatsoever.
This snoopers hotline is a licence for anyone who knows you are a shooter and doesn't like you or shooting sports to make a malicious call. The police will be inundated.
perry owens wrote:And what stand on this is the UK NRA taking? Absolutely none - same as it did when the various bans on self loading rifles and pistols were in prospect. If you don't wear Harris tweed and a bush hat and shoot a 7.62 at 1000 yards the NRA has no interest in you and your rights whatsoever.
Gotta admit - that was MY impression of "U.S. Gun Owners" for many years back in the 1970's and 1980's, when I'd go to gun shows to set up a 'legislative' table where we didn't solicit funds or any joinups of any groups - we just had an assortment of pre-written letters people could take and mail with regards to local and national 'gun control' topics. There were various tones and styles, and a list of all the legislators with district maps so they could find their own to send the letter to. We also brought a desktop computer in the 1980's along with a printer, so we could custom-type letters for the attendees who were interested. VERY few "hunters and sportsmen" participated, and many lied to us and said they had already written their representative(s) - it was humorous when we asked who their representative was, and they'd name a mayor, or who their senator was, and they'd name a city-county council member.
I must say, the U.S. gunowner crowd may be maturing a bit - they finally started buying AR-15's and normal-capacity (30 round) magazines, and started having hobbies like 'practical pistol' shooting and other defense (vs. 'sporting') type games - and the finally started getting WOMEN and KIDS involved into the various aspects of shooting. Now there is way more pushback against silly gun laws, at least in the Midwest. Unfortunately, the Left and Right coasts (like the similarly-named political factions) are kind of locked into the socialist/statist mindset.
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws "first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
octagon wrote:Perry, Do you have a gun related organization over there that is better than the NRA?
As you can see from this link the British Association for Shooting and Conservation has already caved in on this issue. http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/exclus ... egin-40860
The Countryside Alliance is more proactive and has published a draft letter of protest that people can send to their member of parliament. The problem is that shooters are so thinly spread across the 600+ parliamentary divisions that they can never vote out an MP who did not support shooting sports. Besides, being a liar and a scoundrel is almost a prerequisite for a member of parliament so they will tell you anything to secure your vote.
Lassiter wrote:Wow! Kinda makes me wonder how far away from the same thing we might be in this country.........
about one more "election" should do it
Absolutely correct.
To those who refused to participate in the last Presidential election because there wasn't an ideal, pure candidate on the ballot who suited you totally:
Just keep stayin' home and sitting on your hands to "send a message" and the message America will hear is that you WANT this...right here, right now.
Perry is 100% correct, I stopped supporting BASC when they told members to not protest about the handgun ban.
Gun clubs and individual shooters from all over the UK and some from Europe marched on London more than once, to protest about the ban but good old BASC refused to support us and we lost.
I'm a member of The National Gamekeeper Organisation that supports gun rights but is so small it has little clout against anti gun politicians. I have been a member of your NRA for some years even though they can't fight for UK gun owners at least your politicians acknowledge its existence, we have no one.
If more men loved and cherished their wives as much as I love bacon the world would be a much better place.
game keeper wrote: My first shotgun required a 10 shilling (50p)licence from any post office and could be kept behind the kitchen door, it is sad how times have changed....
Changed very much for the worse my friend. Over there as well as right here. I fear the usual response here to an anynomous "there's a dangerous gun nut next door" would probably be a bunch of guys dressed out in black swat gear kicking down the doorway, terrorizing the family, hurting pets and depriving people of their rights - with no cause.
Here unannounced police visits to check on the security of firearms is standard. There are regulations about the kind of safes used for storing different types of firearms:
A category - lever, bolt, shotgun, 22 semi, muzzleloader - a strong lockable cupboard or lockable rack. As long as it does not allow easy access to firearm. Bolt and ammo kept separate.
B category- pistol, 6mm plate steel safe with two locks.
E category - military style semi, 6 mm plate steel safe, two locks.
Gun owner must be licensed. Stop being a good citizen and you loose your licence.
B category checked regularly - serial numbers of pistols checked against police record, must be a member of a pistol club and New Zealand Pistol Association.
Different historical context to the US I guess.
I don't mind the checks as there is a strong criminal underclass who would love to get their hands on my firearms.
Convicted felons are prohibited. As if that stops them.
game keeper wrote:My first shotgun required a 10 shilling (50p)licence from any post office and could be kept behind the kitchen door, it is sad how times have changed....
OK, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but it does give me a chance to ask a question I've often wondered about. To wit: back in the days before the new, decimal-based currency existed, British money consisted of farthings, pence, shillings, pounds, guineas, crowns, sovereigns and probably some I couldn't even think of. (OK, some of these probably go way back.) So far as I can tell, there was no common base; for example, 20 pence to a shilling (I think), a crown was worth 2 pounds (I think) and a guinea was equal to a pound and a shilling (?) I have no idea what a sovereign was worth. Computers didn't exist then. So...howinhell did merchants and other folks manage to make change?
game keeper wrote:I have been a member of your NRA for some years even though they can't fight for UK gun owners at least your politicians acknowledge its existence, we have no one.
Well, you are doing what 70 million or so U.S. "sportsmen and gun owners" SHOULD be doing but are too lazy and apathetic.
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws "first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Lassiter wrote:Wow! Kinda makes me wonder how far away from the same thing we might be in this country.........
about one more "election" should do it
Absolutely correct.
To those who refused to participate in the last Presidential election because there wasn't an ideal, pure candidate on the ballot who suited you totally:
Just keep stayin' home and sitting on your hands to "send a message" and the message America will hear is that you WANT this...right here, right now.
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game keeper wrote:My first shotgun required a 10 shilling (50p)licence from any post office and could be kept behind the kitchen door, it is sad how times have changed....
OK, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but it does give me a chance to ask a question I've often wondered about. To wit: back in the days before the new, decimal-based currency existed, British money consisted of farthings, pence, shillings, pounds, guineas, crowns, sovereigns and probably some I couldn't even think of. (OK, some of these probably go way back.) So far as I can tell, there was no common base; for example, 20 pence to a shilling (I think), a crown was worth 2 pounds (I think) and a guinea was equal to a pound and a shilling (?) I have no idea what a sovereign was worth. Computers didn't exist then. So...howinhell did merchants and other folks manage to make change?
Well all I know is I found math much harder than post decimal kids did.
12 pence one shilling, 20 shillings 1pound, half a crown was 2 shillings and 6 pence, a florin was 2 Bob or 2 shillings, as to make things harder we all used different slang terms for money, a tanner was 6 pence, a pound was a quid, 1 shilling and 6 pence was one and a kick.there were 240 Penny's to the pound.it was all very confusing, math questions for 7 year olds would be, if apples were 3 shillings a pound how many apples would you get for 4 shillings 3 pence 2 farthing's?
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If more men loved and cherished their wives as much as I love bacon the world would be a much better place.
game keeper wrote:Well all I know is I found math much harder than post decimal kids did.
12 pence one shilling, 20 shillings 1pound, half a crown was 2 shillings and 6 pence, a florin was 2 Bob or 2 shillings, as to make things harder we all used different slang terms for money, a tanner was 6 pence, a pound was a quid, 1 shilling and 6 pence was one and a kick.there were 240 Penny's to the pound.it was all very confusing, math questions for 7 year olds would be, if apples were 3 shillings a pound how many apples would you get for 4 shillings 3 pence 2 farthing's?
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A crown was 5 bob. I am sure they still use guineas when refering to horse racing prize money. I used to get tuppence a day pocket money as a school kid back in the 60's. Pennies used to wear holes in the pockets real quick.
A shotgun license was 10 bob. The family had an old damascus double barrel, nitro proofed, shotgun. I cant remember how much a box of the red eley 12g cartridges were though.
Those were the days. As time progressed things started to turn for the worse, much the same as here in the USA. Another 25 years, or maybe less the USA will be much like the UK.
flatnose wrote:...in the USA. Another 25 years, or maybe less the USA will be much like the UK.
More likely it will be like the Baltics...
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flatnose wrote:...in the USA. Another 25 years, or maybe less the USA will be much like the UK.
More likely it will be like the Baltics...
More likely it will be like Syria. Oh, wait, the UK is headed that way, too, much faster than us. So I guess it will be like the UK.
On a serious note, the guys who study social trends are predicting, if nothing reverses direction, widespread federal gun bans within 30 years. They say we can expect pedophilia to be legal in 8 to 12 years, based on the fact that they are using the same techniques used to bring public acceptance of homosexuality, only at an accelerated rate.
