Henry Repeating Arms' H011- Original Henry Rifle 1860

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:01 pm

http://henryrepeating.com/The-Original-Henry-Rifle.cfm

...Now, the Original Henry Rifle is back in all its American-made glory.

The Original Henry Rifle is virtually identical to its history-making forerunner in all aspects. The only exception: it is a .44-40 caliber. The 1860 version was made in caliber .44 Rimfire, also invented by Benjamin Tyler Henry, but long an obsolete cartridge. Every other facet remains true to its inventor, and each gun's serial number begins with the initials BTH in his honor.

Made with the same American pride and attention to detail as all Henry Repeating Arms rifles, the Original Henry Rifle features a hardened brass receiver with the same tensile and yield strength as steel; a one piece, 24 1/2 inch octagonal barrel/tubular feed; a genuine American fancy walnut buttstock and a classic folding ladder rear sight paired with a traditional blade front sight.

Model Number H011
[*]Action Type Lever Action
[*]Caliber .44-40
[*]Capacity 13 + 1
[*]Length 36 ½"
[*]Barrel Length 43“
[*]Weight 9 lbs.
[*]Stock Fancy American Walnut Buttstock with Hardened Brass Buttplate
[*]Sights Folding Ladder Rear, Blade Front
[*]Finish Hardened Brass Receiver with Blued Steel Barrel
[*]Price $2,300.00

...though, I believe that their figures, in the chart, for the barrel length & overall length are not correct.

Shawn

yooper2 · Post by **yooper2** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:13 pm

Sure is pretty but ouch, my wallet screams in agony at $2300! Can't wait to hear from folks that have gotten to handle/shoot them.

Eric

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:46 am

It's neat to see them being produced in the US again. I wonder if one has been put through the test?

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:53 am

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That's a beauty - & I like the chambering !

IMO the workmanship & original-looking design are worth every penny actually paid (not necessarily MSRP), especially when what looks to be a fair amount of hand fitting to the muzzle end & BP's is considered.

It's an unreasonable expectation to think American folks would do fine handiwork for chump change.

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edwardyoung · Post by **edwardyoung** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:03 am

That is a rifle I'd love to own

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:17 am

This does look pretty nice. You get what you pay for.....buy once cry once.

Great, so Henry has proven that they can make something with a barrel longer than 20". Maybe now they can add 4" to the H001T and make a real rimfire "rifle".

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:38 am

Pete44ru wrote:.

That's a beauty - & I like the chambering !

IMO the workmanship & original-looking design are worth every penny actually paid (not necessarily MSRP), especially when what looks to be a fair amount of hand fitting to the muzzle end & BP's is considered.

It's an unreasonable expectation to think American folks would do fine handiwork for chump change.

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But is the "workmanship and original looking design" any better than the Uberti 1860 at almost twice the price? I know there are folks who will pay a premium for the "Made in the USA" mark, but the model 1860 is a niche/low volume model even for Uberti. Interesting to see how the market responds on this one. In any case, good to see it happen!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:02 pm

Oh but for the brass. I like steel guns. But, it's Very Nice, I wonder how many pre-orders they're waiting before the actually produce any?

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:38 pm

yooper2 wrote:Sure is pretty but ouch, my wallet screams in agony at $2300...!

If I were spending that much on a lever gun it would be a Bighorn Armory Spike Driver.

44-40 Willy · Post by **44-40 Willy** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:01 pm

the Original Henry Rifle features a hardened brass receiver with the same tensile and yield strength as steel

I'm just not buying that brass as strong as steel thing. Not the first time that Henry has put out some misinformation either.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:14 pm

Griff wrote:Oh but for the brass. I like steel guns. But, it's Very Nice, I wonder how many pre-orders they're waiting before the actually produce any?

Davidson's has them listed, but shows them out of stock.

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/defa ... ?item=H011

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:20 pm

I wish they'd chosen a cartridge closer in size to the originals. That stretched carrier area just doesn't look right to my eye. I only know of one maker who offers a receiver of the correct proportions, and it's a tiny shop in Europe.

Given the numbers Henry will make, the price is fine so long as it is a high quality product. The one Uberti I ordered I returned due to so-so quality control. Regardless, I have no need for a 9 lb rifle firing a mild cartridge.

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:46 pm

It appears that Henry RAC is updating their Web site, right now. This is the DELUXE version:

http://henryrepeating.com/The-Original- ... -Rifle.cfm

Model Number H011D
[*]Action Type Lever Action
[*]Caliber .44-40
[*]Capacity 13 + 1
[*]Length 36 ½"
[*]Barrel Length 43“
[*]Weight 9 lbs.
[*]Stock Fancy American Walnut Buttstock with Hardened Brass Buttplate
[*]Sights Folding Ladder Rear, Blade Front
[*]Finish Hardened Brass Receiver with Blued Steel Barrel
[*]Price $3,495.00

Using existing photos of those historic patterns, our artisans have replicated a distinctive scroll design which at the time was an evolution to both greater detail and fuller coverage engraving. They copy the original pattern, engrave the receiver to depth, and hand chase the scroll to add bright cuts and detail to this beautiful embellishment.

The Original Henry Rifle Deluxe Engraved is a proud part of our effort to maintain the Henry legacy of beautiful and exemplary rifles. Limited to 1,000 units and featuring deluxe fancy American walnut buttstock. Serial number range is BTH00001 to BTH01000.

Shawn

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:56 am

With a limited edition of 1000 units, they are going to sell this deluxe edition like hot cakes at a Methodist prayer breakfast. Sadly, not to me!

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:51 am

AJMD429 wrote:
yooper2 wrote:Sure is pretty but ouch, my wallet screams in agony at $2300...!
If I were spending that much on a lever gun it would be a Bighorn Armory Spike Driver.

...and I think .44 Spcl would have been closer to the original.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:29 pm

Rusty wrote:
AJMD429 wrote:
yooper2 wrote:Sure is pretty but ouch, my wallet screams in agony at $2300...!
If I were spending that much on a lever gun it would be a Bighorn Armory Spike Driver.

...and I think .44 Spcl would have been closer to the original.

... or a .44 Russian

I love my Uberti "Henry 1860". It is in .45 Colt - which I know is no-where near accurate, as far as caliber goes, but since I have several .45 Colt firearms, I opted for ammunition exchangability over anything else. As much as I like Y2K's H100L, and as much as I like Henry Repeating Arms promise to only make guns in the USA, I just can't see paying 2x as much for one!

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:31 pm

... or a .44 Russian

... or .45 Auto Rim

That deluxe model is sure nice looking, I'll give them that.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:32 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:
Rusty wrote:
AJMD429 wrote:
yooper2 wrote:Sure is pretty but ouch, my wallet screams in agony at $2300...!
If I were spending that much on a lever gun it would be a Bighorn Armory Spike Driver.

...and I think .44 Spcl would have been closer to the original.

... or a .44 Russian

I love my Uberti "Henry 1860". It is in .45 Colt - which I know is no-where near accurate, as far as caliber goes, but since I have several .45 Colt firearms, I opted for ammunition exchangability over anything else. As much as I like Y2K's H100L, and as much as I like Henry Repeating Arms promise to only make guns in the USA, I just can't see paying 2x as much for one!

The 44/40 is probably to "protect us from ourselves" as some dude would invariably stuff it full of smokeless Bear Stompers in 44 Special and then promptly sue the company for not protecting him from himself. Sad that we live in a society where that dynamic predominates. I agree......would have loved the 44 Special and it would have made it more appealing and usable to me personally. That being said, it would still be neat to have one.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:35 am

my guess is that the bulk of the market will be CAS shooters, thus 44-40 is the right choice. Especially if black powder is going to be used. 45 LC would be the other choice for that market. However, Henry is attempting to build an authentic recreation. I can't find one or I would be test shooting it now!

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:41 am

The gun is in production.
Denis

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:12 am

buckeyeshooter wrote:my guess is that the bulk of the market will be CAS shooters, thus 44-40 is the right choice. Especially if black powder is going to be used. 45 LC would be the other choice for that market. However, Henry is attempting to build an authentic recreation. I can't find one or I would be test shooting it now!

That is true....hadn't thought about CAS.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:24 am

IF the folks at HRA can match their production to their HYPE, and IF they ever decide to make a run of these rifles in .45 Colt or .44 Special, I'm in for one..

(Oh, and IF they will properly "match-polish" appropriate parts, and keep the rifles out of the hands of their aggressive, ham-handed impressarios of the buffing wheel...

44-40 Willy wrote:
the Original Henry Rifle features a hardened brass receiver with the same tensile and yield strength as steel
I'm just not buying that brass as strong as steel thing. Not the first time that Henry has put out some misinformation either.

SOME brass (bronze) alloys are as strong as SOME steels..

I have to wonder if a descendant of George Herter, or even P.T. Barnum, writes their press releases and advertizing...

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:09 pm

" hotcakes at a methodist prayer meeting "

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:36 pm

I'd like to see it aged to verdigris so I can see how it will go with the rest of the green metal on the boat.

What is it a 44spcl can do that a 44/40 won't?

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:23 am

As pretty as that gun is, if I had $2300 for a gun it would prolly go for an M1A or M14...

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:22 pm

I like the 44 Russian idea with a matching S&W model 3 pistol.

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:46 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:IF the folks at HRA can match their production to their HYPE, and IF they ever decide to make a run of these rifles in .45 Colt or .44 Special, I'm in for one..

(Oh, and IF they will properly "match-polish" appropriate parts, and keep the rifles out of the hands of their aggressive, ham-handed impressarios of the buffing wheel...

44-40 Willy wrote:
the Original Henry Rifle features a hardened brass receiver with the same tensile and yield strength as steel
I'm just not buying that brass as strong as steel thing. Not the first time that Henry has put out some misinformation either.
SOME brass (bronze) alloys are as strong as SOME steels..

I have to wonder if a descendant of George Herter, or even P.T. Barnum, writes their press releases and advertizing...

Ain't that the truth. His description of his products were ahead of his time. Wonder how he would have done on fleabay or kregslist

ndnchf · Post by **ndnchf** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:40 am

It sure looks like a nice rifle. But I was they would have made it for a .44 centerfire cartridge of the same overall length as the original .44 Henry rimfire cartridge. The changes in the receiver they and Uberti made to accomodate the .44WCF and other rounds stick out like a sore thumb. A shortened .44 Special case could be dubbed the .44 Henry centerfire. It would be easy to reload with readilly available components, could duplicate original ballistics and would hold the same number of rounds in the magazine as originals.

I know its unrealistic because they are catering to the unwashed masses, many of who do not reload. But if they did, I would be a LOT more interested.

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:43 am

Both Henry & Uberti have to design & produce to sell to the largest market share.
Restricting the rifle to an obscure wildcat caliber attractive only to handloaders wouldn't generate enough sales to bother producing the guns.
Denis

rodeo kid · Post by **rodeo kid** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:57 pm

Well, it sure is purity and I would like to have one. But, I keep thinking for $2300 I could have a Les Baer 1911 Comanche. I do commend Henry for building it. Maybe I will get a big tax refund. God Bless.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:24 pm

ndnchf wrote:It sure looks like a nice rifle. But I was they would have made it for a .44 centerfire cartridge of the same overall length as the original .44 Henry rimfire cartridge. The changes in the receiver they and Uberti made to accomodate the .44WCF and other rounds stick out like a sore thumb. A shortened .44 Special case could be dubbed the .44 Henry centerfire. It would be easy to reload with readilly available components, could duplicate original ballistics and would hold the same number of rounds in the magazine as originals.

I know its unrealistic because they are catering to the unwashed masses, many of who do not reload. But if they did, I would be a LOT more interested.

Back in the day, there WAS a .44 Henry Center-fire cartridge, which was developed for, and adapted to, the final run of "Improved Henry" rifles, which we also call the 1866 Winchester.. Most all of those rifles went to South America, under contract, and are only rarely seen in the U.S. Today..

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:34 pm

What's needed is for Henry Repeating and Uberti to agree with an ammo maker to produce again the .44 Henry Flat rimfire and the rifles for it, such as Hornady and Marlin did for the Marlin Express cartridges. Not that I'd expect many people to buy them...

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:00 am

What is NEEDED is for people to realize that it ain't gonna happen, because the market would not support it...

Large-bore, non-reloadable, rimfire ammunition, and newly-made guns to go with it are the classic definition of a team of dead horses..

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:58 am

Agreed, which is why in other posts on the new Henry, I've suggested the .45 Auto Rim instead, which is close to the .44 Henry in dimensions. Not that I'd expect many people to buy them...

I wonder what .44 Henry would cost these days? It uses about 5 times the materials of a .22 LR. The case needs a draw more like a .22 WMR, though. Let's see, Midway sells the nearly obsolete .22 WRF for about $0.16 each. Perhaps the Henry could be sold for $0.50 a piece, or a box of 50 for $25? Nah, .45 AR is closer to $50. On the other hand, cheapie, imported .22 Hornet is $25/box or about double what jacketed .22 WMR is, so maybe $30 to 35 a box for the Henry is possible, and I know non-reloaders who think nothing of blowing off a $30 box of .45 ACP. Hmmm, no, I don't see many takers at that price, but I'd be tempted.

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:43 pm

Incidentally, the BH "cowboy" lead was a hotter load than either of the two commercial jacketed soft-points I chronographed through the rifle.
Denis

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:47 pm

Big difference between .22 WMR and .44 Henry, on so many levels..

Ammo companies know they can sell tens of millions of .22 mag ammo, while the market for the .44s would probably be less than 200,000 rounds per year..

Obviously, a Lot more material goes into a .44 RF cartridge than into a spindly little WMR..

I'd expect the shelf price of American made .44 Henry Flat ammunition to approach $2 per round.. Maybe even more..

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:07 am

$2 each certainly won't sell, but I have to wonder if it would be that high. I was surprised at how low .22 WRF sells for. It would be interesting to talk with someone in the industry and better gauge the price. Regardless, I agree it's not coming back.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:30 pm

Just as an aside... I never thought I'd see ammo for the venerable old .45 Colt sell for over 40 Bucks a box either, but it has and does...

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:57 pm

KWK wrote:Agreed, which is why in other posts on the new Henry, I've suggested the .45 Auto Rim instead, which is close to the .44 Henry in dimensions. Not that I'd expect many people to buy them...

<snip>

Adironjack's 45 Cowboy Special would be the ticket. Same length as the 45 ACP / AR and really close to the 44 Henry RF. Rifle would hold a bunch of them and they, at least the brass, is available from Starline I believe.

Joe

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:32 pm

wish someone made a scaled down [ in price and size ] 22lr version !

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:02 pm

For a while Uberti made an 1866 in 22LR. Years back I handled one. Thought it was interesting but not enough for me to buy it then.

Joe

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:29 pm

hfcable wrote:wish someone made a scaled down [ in price and size ] 22lr version !

A couple of small, independent makers have produced what you're asking for, but billed them as Volcanics.. One fairly 'local' shop offered both rifle and pistol versions, in several barrel lengths.. Parts were CNC machined from solid stock..

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:38 pm

J Miller wrote:For a while Uberti made an 1866 in 22LR. Years back I handled one. Thought it was interesting but not enough for me to buy it then.

Joe

A good friend of mine has a Uberti '73 carbine, in .22 WMR...

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:21 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:A couple of small, independent makers have produced what you're asking for, but billed them as Volcanics.. One fairly 'local' shop offered both rifle and pistol versions, in several barrel lengths.. Parts were CNC machined from solid stock..

Are any of those shops still making them?

Driftwood Johnson · Post by **Driftwood Johnson** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:29 pm

SOME brass (bronze) alloys are as strong as SOME steels..

I have to wonder if a descendant of George Herter, or even P.T. Barnum, writes their press releases and advertizing...

I have to agree. My gripe about Henry has always been their deceitful advertising.

For the record, I have an Uberti replica 1860 Model Henry. Mine has the iron frame (actually steel) and it is chambered for 44-40. (my avatar is a photo of the frame) I am an avid CAS shooter and I only shoot mine with Black Powder, it has not seen a round of Smokeless ammo since it left the proof house. I can tell you though, you do not see very many Henry rifles at a CAS match. They have a few peculiarities that other lever guns do not, so they are not very common.

Anthony Imperato is no dope. He is doing exactly what Aldo Uberti did. After building a few Henry rifles chambered for the original 44 Henry Rimfire cartridge, Uberti stretched the frame in the cartridge elevator area and chambered it for 45 Colt and 44-40. These guys know (knew) what they are doing. As somebody has already said, these are niche rifles. They are in business to sell rifles. They are not going to chamber it for cartridges other than those two. Forget such chamberings as 44 Russian, 45 Cowboy Special (nobody even loads that one commercially) and all the others. A non-reloadable 44 caliber rimfire? Not going to happen. The frame will remain stretched for the 44-40 and 45 Colt length cartridges.

Just for fun, here is a photo of some of the cartridges we are talking about. Left to right they are 44-40, 44 Special, 44 Russian, 44 S&W American, 44 Henry Rimfire, 45 Schofield, and 45 Colt.

Winnetou · Post by **Winnetou** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:01 am

There are some exceptions to this rule. When Uberti and Chaparral reintroduced the Winchester 1876, all four of its calibres were long obsolete. Armi Sport offer the Spencer rifle and carbine in a centre fire .56-50 chambering that never existed before. These rifles may not sell in the quantities of those popular for cowboy action shooting, but their continued presence in the market shows that it is possible to successfully sell rifles in calibres that haven’t been available in ages.

I have long thought that rim-fire cartridges in calibres larger than .22 could be successfully reintroduced. Since they aren’t re-loadable, the cases could be made of aluminium, which is much cheaper than brass, and readily recyclable (Blaser had a line of single-use aluminium cased centre-fire ammunition). The aluminium cases could be anodised in a brass or copper colour. Low-cost rim-fire ammunition could become quite popular with those who do not wish to re-load, as well as those who are interested in historical arms and loadings. It would be almost ideal for CAS.

Correctly-dimensioned Henry and 1866 rifles, as well as rim-fire versions of single action revolvers, would be a clever way to sell more guns in a market that is already quite saturated. For example, I suspect that many shooters who currently own Uberti Henry rifles would be tempted to purchase a new Henry with the original dimensions and chambering.

This could readily be taken beyond the .44 rim-fire. There are thousands of fine old rifles in .25, .32, and .38 rim fire, whose owners would like to shoot them.

With regard to the early replica Henry rifles in .44RF—it is my understanding that these were amongst the first batch of rifles manufactured by Navy Arms in the U.S., and that the receivers were the same size as the .44-40 model.

missionary5155 · Post by **missionary5155** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:28 am

Good morning
Well I would agree with using a shorter cartrige. This much money , I would want a cartrige that is very near the origonal. I shoot 44 Russian in origonal S&W's. I would have been thrilled with a real Henry in that caliber. Better 44 American ! That would have been like icing !
Imagine if the plan had been "parts interchangable" with the originals. I can live happily with real 1873's.
Mike in Peru

Driftwood Johnson · Post by **Driftwood Johnson** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:59 am

Correctly-dimensioned Henry and 1866 rifles, as well as rim-fire versions of single action revolvers, would be a clever way to sell more guns in a market that is already quite saturated. For example, I suspect that many shooters who currently own Uberti Henry rifles would be tempted to purchase a new Henry with the original dimensions and chambering.

Howdy Again

Well, I am completely happy with my 44-40 Henry, and frankly cannot understand why anyone would want one chambered for 44 Henry Rimfire. I will not be looking for a 1860 Henry chambered for the rimfire round in the unlikely event that one is chambered for it.

Regarding the difference in dimensions, it is so slight that it does not bother me at all. I just compared the OAL length of one of my standard 44-40 rounds to the 44 Henry in my photo. The difference is right about .275. So all other things being equal, the carrier and area of the frame that houses the carrier would be about .275 shorter on a 'correctly' dimensioned Henry vs my Uberti version. Not much difference. Certainly not enough for me to get excited about.

44 Henry Rimfire was a pipsqueak round, that's why the 44-40 was developed to replace it. Only about 28 grains of Black Powder vs 40. Winchester understood the limitations of the round, so 44WCF was introduced in 1873 with the Model 1873 Winchester to replace the Henry round that had been chambered up until then in the Henry and 1866 rifles.

As far as 44 Russian is concerned, yes I do load it, with Black Powder, for shooting in original S&W #3 revolvers. That is what they are chambered for, so that is what I shoot in them. I am not interested in a new made replica being chambered for 44 Russian either. 44-40 is just fine with me.

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:46 pm

Driftwood Johnson wrote:Well, I am completely happy with my 44-40 Henry, and frankly cannot understand why anyone would want one chambered for 44 Henry Rimfire... 44 Henry Rimfire was a pipsqueak round, that's why the 44-40 was developed to replace it.

I'm more the other way: I'd rather have a Henry or '66 in the rimfire, and if I must use a .44-40, I'd rather just have the '73 for which it was developed.

Regarding aluminum cased rimfires, Winnetou, has it been done for the .22 LR? If it's suitable but more economical than brass, I think it would have shown up there already.

Driftwood Johnson · Post by **Driftwood Johnson** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:25 pm

Howdy Again

I guess part of my antipathy towards the lower power rounds in a Henry are because of the weight of the gun. If you have never hefted one, they are heavy. My Uberti Henry weighs 10 pounds 6 ounces. Compare that to the weight of my 24" Uberti 44-40 '73 or my original 24" Winchester 38-40 '73, coming in at 9 pounds 3 ounces each. The reason the Henry is so heavy is because the barrel and magazine are machined from one solid bar of steel, unlike all the later Winchesters that had separate tubular magazines. Sorry, I just think it is ridiculous to be shooting such a light round out of such a massive gun. With a full charge of FFg behind a 200 grain bullet in my Henry I never feel the recoil, because the gun is so heavy, and 35 grains or so of FFg going off gives a very satisfying boom. It just would not be the same with 28 grains of powder.

I'm sure if the original Henry had continued in production past 1866, it would eventually have been chambered for a more powerful cartridge.

Hmmm....just noticed that HRAC claims their 1860 Henry weighs 9 pounds. Something is not right there. That's what a '66 or a '73 should weigh