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#1 Post by Grizz » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:14 pm

Been listening to some of these on utube and enjoying the sound and the story. Anyone in the room into these?

http://reddogguitars.com/cigar_box_guitars_1.html

http://www.cigarboxnation.com/

and videos galore here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_rhxGo4Qs0

there's some instructional ones on some of the pages

I've been assured many times that I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, so it's a no-go for me. But I'm liking the sound.

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#2 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:22 pm

Grizz, now dang it I am up to my shorts in dreams and unfinished projects, and you go and add another one to my bucket list. Sheesh!

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#3 Post by Grizz » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:27 pm

I know it! It's so distracting.

But just listen to some of those players. It looks so E A S Y....... LOL

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#4 Post by J35 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:36 pm

How about a Four string

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5gs0Grbro


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#5 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:51 pm

And then there's this:

http://www.radio-guitar-amps.com/

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#6 Post by Blaine » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:08 pm

I always thought I'd like to tackle a 4 string banjo... :mrgreen:
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#7 Post by Grizz » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:47 pm

ouch

sounds painful

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#8 Post by Ji in Hawaii » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:13 pm

I've always been partial to my ukuleles but the 3 string strum-sticks and stick-dulcimers have interested me for awhile too. They sound great, they are relatively affordable, and easy to learn to play due to the way they are set up and tuned. I'll eventually get one..
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#9 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:38 pm

Well, I just fitted the red oak neck to my $2 cigar box. Bought tuning pegs, strings, piezo transducer, 1/4-inch input jack and guitar cord.
Glue is curing on the neck. Might jus' make me a small amp (to go with my small talent) while I am at it.

:D

See whatchoo done started Grizz? Next up, I book a gator hunt and pick me some poke salat.

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#10 Post by Grizz » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:28 pm

That's outstanding Bill :!:

Glad you're doing it. I'm so UNmusical that I could play a strumstick off-key.

I have an electric bass and amp and don't play it at all any more. My hands are not trainable these days.

But I have to say that learning the bass pattern of the I-IV-V progression was a mind boggling eye opener. No one ever told me that those blobs on the music sheets were CHORDS for pity's sake.

Had an actual revelation when I was about 60 that most folks learned in second grade. I musta been awol that day and never got the info.

I cannot keep time to save my life. I can learn a drum riff and hit it in all the wrong places. I'd lead a metronome offbeat.

I also have the peculiar ability to sing off key and NOT HEAR IT. Like the poor souls trying out for talent shows who think they have it.

I don't and I know it.

My bass might be tuned well according to the electronical gadget, but if the band on the radio is off in their own relative tuning I can't hear it.

I was eventually able to cover a couple of blues songs and that was kind of fun, but I'd never let anyone hear me.

Well, actually my son and I jammed on the back deck sometimes when fishing was slow and we were bored. We'd go anchor up in a quiet spot on the edge of the Pacific Ocean and fire up the amps while Mrs Grizz was cooking dinner. Probably with earplugs in.

You saw the link about using radios as amps I hope.

I'm looking forward to hearing your instrument. I like the sound on the videos a lot.

Maybe I'll take a string off of the bass and open tune it and break a bottle. . . . . . . . .

nah.

Thanks for tripping my rememory cell, that was fun. :D

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#11 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Heh, the Watco on the neck is dry this morning. Now I need to attach the three tuning pegs, finish the nut (from a spike) and the "bridge" (from an eye bolt), solder the piezo transducer to the 1/4-inch jack, string the thing and pick up a cheap amp from Guitar Center. I'll have the cat in tears and the wife filling out divorce papers in no time ...

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#12 Post by Blaine » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:48 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Heh, the Watco on the neck is dry this morning. Now I need to attach the three tuning pegs, finish the nut (from a spike) and the "bridge" (from an eye bolt), solder the piezo transducer to the 1/4-inch jack, string the thing and pick up a cheap amp from Guitar Center. I'll have the cat in tears and the wife filling out divorce papers in no time ...

:lol: :lol:
With the neck under intense pressure from the strings, how do you keep it firmly attached to a flimsy cigar box? Does the neck go the entire length of the box, and get bolted/screwed/glued on?
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#13 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:09 pm

Blaine, the neck, a red oak 1X2, runs into the cigar box and out the other end, taking all the strain. The cigar box is merely appended as a sounding board and to contain the "pickup" -- a $3 piezo transducer wired to a 1/4-inch input jack and glued to the bottom of the neck. And with only three strings, there's not that much tension. Wow, I sound like I know what I am talking about. Don't you believe it!
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#14 Post by Ray » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:45 pm

B.T.T. and expecting an update from billy's experiment....
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#15 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:01 am

Good gracious, Ray, you are trolling the depths of Leverguns this morning. I did complete that "CBG" -- just couldn't play it.
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#16 Post by Grizz » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:47 am

thanks a lot Ray. I just ordered the kit . . . I'll show you mine when you show me yours! :D :lol:

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#17 Post by Ray » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:44 pm

Grizz wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:47 am
thanks a lot Ray. I just ordered the kit . . . I'll show you mine when you show me yours! :D :lol:
I play mostly on four strings, both chicago and standard G tuning and was wondering about those three string tunings and chords.
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#18 Post by Grizz » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:32 pm

there are tons of links to the tuning and playing and some virtuoso music makers online. I can't even remember the common tuning. but, I think it will go nicely on sail cruises where I can only annoy 40 ton marine mammals and threatened albatross species . . . :lol:

I have a 4 string bass but haven't unpacked it since moving. I suppose I'll find it if I move again...

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#19 Post by Ray » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:02 pm

Me on four strings(audio only).....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSMouleEYlY

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#20 Post by Bill in Oregon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:43 am

Nice voice, Ray. 8)

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#23 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:55 am

That shovel piece is amazing. That guy is really good! 8)

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#24 Post by Grizz » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:25 pm

thanks for listening. I sure would like to have that kind of eye-hand coordination! I'll have to stick to a slow-bell 12 bar 1-4-5. And maybe then I can add in something more complex. Later on in my spare time I am going to open tune my electric bass. . . scary that

Justin has monetized himself, good for him. A number of other musicians and instrument makers have too. it makes for varied and interesting music.

my kit gets here next week I think. supposed to be a one hour assembly project, will see about that.

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#26 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:04 pm

Good stuff, i`ll have to do a musical vid. :wink:
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#27 Post by Ray » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:19 pm

Pitchy wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:04 pm
Good stuff, i`ll have to do a musical vid. :wink:
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#28 Post by Grizz » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:09 am

draperjojo wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:07 pm
This is where I bought mine.
https://snowdenguitars.com/collections/cigar-box-guitar
some good looking instruments there!

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#29 Post by Pitchy » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am

Ray wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:19 pm
Pitchy wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:04 pm
Good stuff, i`ll have to do a musical vid. :wink:
I remember the lakotas taking umbrage to your banjo picking and hurling arrows at you.....
Ok ok i get the message :lol:
Pic of the one i made few years back, wish i could play something.

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#30 Post by Grizz » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:54 pm

a Great one Pitchy just needs big bass strings and you be in business! :D

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#31 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:58 pm

That's a beauty, Lenn.

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#32 Post by Ray » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:20 pm

Pitchy wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 am
Ray wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:19 pm
Pitchy wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:04 pm
Good stuff, i`ll have to do a musical vid. :wink:
I remember the lakotas taking umbrage to your banjo picking and hurling arrows at you.....
Ok ok i get the message :lol:
Pic of the one i made few years back, wish i could play something.

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#33 Post by Ray » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:19 am

You'd thing four decades of basic, nominal playing (just strumming) on 12, 8, 7, 6, 5 and 4 strings would make the learning curve on just 3 strings easier. But since the chord charts are only pseudo or suggestive, I'm having to actually learn some music theory, tonics, roots, thirds, fifths, etc. I've always played by ear and my mellifluous one (left) has gone tin due to .357 magnums.

However since we're dealing with open tunings, I can do a credible, primitive , cross-picked glissando with a shotglass. Think playing a mountain dulcimer with a slide. Imagine a five year old Junior Brown or Sneaky Pete Kleinow taking their third or fourth music lessons or Tom Brumley still in diapers.

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#34 Post by Grizz » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:39 am

my Dad observed that I could not carry a tune in a bucket, which is true.

I learned something about music trying to learn electric bass, and got to the point where I could cover a bass line played on the radio, BUT, my hands are so work hammered, and my fingers don't do the things that a bass player's fingers need to do.

So, the coming 3-string with a slide is my latest effort to overcome the disappointment and just do some basic noise making. I envision this as being an activity on the sailboat as I cruise across the Pacific. To "make a joyful noise" unto the Lord. It will be a well kept secret and only disappoint the marine mammals in the general vicinity of my 50W loudhailer. RODLOL

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#35 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:08 pm

"Make a joyful noise" ... wonder what the Big Guy thinks when I "make a painful noise." He must have gritted his teeth when I took violin lessons in fifth grade. :lol:

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#36 Post by Ray » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:39 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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"Make a joyful noise" ... wonder what the Big Guy thinks when I "make a painful noise." He must have gritted his teeth when I took violin lessons in fifth grade. :lol:
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#37 Post by Rusty » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:17 pm

Years ago one of our local TV stations did a story about a guy in Sarasota that was building those. It's funny, when you put an electric pickup in one it sounds like a dobro. IIRC the guy in Sarasota was using mono fishing line for strings.
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#38 Post by Grizz » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:13 am

Ray wrote:
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Bill in Oregon wrote:
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"Make a joyful noise" ... wonder what the Big Guy thinks when I "make a painful noise." He must have gritted his teeth when I took violin lessons in fifth grade. :lol:
The only thing worse than a screeching fiddle is a novice with the scottish pipes.
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#39 Post by Ray » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:02 am

I've just about given up on three strings for now.....

The chords just don't sound right compared to something with just one more string....

I simply cannot get on pitch to sing......

Tried to jam with a six string and three strings just does not seem to fit sonically.....

Sliding, I can sure make it twang but it is weak unplugged. Sliding a dgbd tuned tenor flattop (like banjo g standard) with a shot glass sounds many, many times better to my ears than this three string.
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#40 Post by Grizz » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 am

Ray wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:02 am
I've just about given up on three strings for now.....

The chords just don't sound right compared to something with just one more string....

I simply cannot get on pitch to sing......

Tried to jam with a six string and three strings just does not seem to fit sonically.....

Sliding, I can sure make it twang but it is weak unplugged. Sliding a dgbd tuned tenor flattop (like banjo g standard) with a shot glass sounds many, many times better to my ears than this three string.
That's interesting. I am basically tone deaf, I have to rely on a tuner. The kit is here and I am finishing the wood. So I'll have it strung in a few days and see how it sounds to me....

The good musicians online make the 3 string sound like a concert guitar when they finger pick it. I got the fretless neck so I don't have to fret chords. My hands don't cooperate forming chords. This one isn't amplified, so no one besides me has to listen to it!

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#41 Post by Ray » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:09 am

Grizz wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:12 am
Ray wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:02 am
I've just about given up on three strings for now.....

The chords just don't sound right compared to something with just one more string....

I simply cannot get on pitch to sing......

Tried to jam with a six string and three strings just does not seem to fit sonically.....

Sliding, I can sure make it twang but it is weak unplugged. Sliding a dgbd tuned tenor flattop (like banjo g standard) with a shot glass sounds many, many times better to my ears than this three string.
That's interesting. I am basically tone deaf, I have to rely on a tuner. The kit is here and I am finishing the wood. So I'll have it strung in a few days and see how it sounds to me....

The good musicians online make the 3 string sound like a concert guitar when they finger pick it. I got the fretless neck so I don't have to fret chords. My hands don't cooperate forming chords. This one isn't amplified, so no one besides me has to listen to it!

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#42 Post by missionary5155 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:32 am

Good morning
When I got shipped to Germany in 1972 I was at the PX and there sat a beautiful (to me) banjo. I bought it and a book to help me get started.
About 3 months later I was sitting on CQ duty plunking away thinking I was actually getting somewhere. A fellow tanker from Tennessee (David B.) came by and quietly stood there a few minutes. Then he said" Fester sell me your banjo. I said David I like y banjo Shortly David said.. Sell me your banjo. I told him the PX had another for only $50. Shortly David said " Festy sell me your banjo... Your killing us with that thing !".
I said.. David is it that bad... He said give me that thing and promptly played some very nice music. Well I sold David my banjo and never again bought a musical instrument. Tried a couple...
My wife has kindly told me there is something disconnected between my ears and my fingers..
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#43 Post by Bill in Oregon » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:19 am

Great story! 8)
Somewhere there is a Bugs Bunny cartoon with Bugs offering to sell a banjo with no strings to Yosemite Sam. "I'll take it," says Sam "I hate banjo music."

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#44 Post by Ray » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:42 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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Great story! 8)
Somewhere there is a Bugs Bunny cartoon with Bugs offering to sell a banjo with no strings to Yosemite Sam. "I'll take it," says Sam "I hate banjo music."

:lol:

banjos were (un)popular with the jones/freileg/blanc team.....

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#45 Post by Grizz » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:41 am

there is something disconnected between my ears and my fingers..
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#46 Post by Grizz » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:54 pm

Hey Ray!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egSIamo86fc

check out Johnson with 3 strings live

this makes me smile

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#47 Post by Ray » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:07 am

So I watched the puckett guy on the youtube and figured out that gbe tuning will work for me using abbreviated dgbe guitar chords for crosspicking and strumming......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITSZ3OY9C3U

I slacked the d to b and the wild g to e and while those are a little loose and buzzy, it works.....

need .013" for the e, .017" for the b and .026 for the g.....time to dig around in the raycave for refugee strings or buy these:

https://www.cbgitty.com/cigar-box-guita ... d-gbd-gbe/

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#48 Post by Grizz » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:28 pm

Good on Ya Ray! No quit in you is there.

I am still putting a clear coat on the wood because I plan to take this for a boat ride some fine month up ahead. I am thinking of tuning Down to E if possible, after I get going on the open G. Maybe even borrow a string off the bass? I dunno what I am doing, but like you, I'm only going to offend wild life, not that they deserve that. :lol:

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Re: 3 string cigar box guitars

#49 Post by Grizz » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:32 pm

well, the guitarist's lament

I need a G-string.

The low G and D sound OK. Surprised that the acoustic output is workable, as long as I'm not in the corner of the Red Dog gasping for air and trying to hit the chords in the right order . . . :arrow: lumbering on with a busted G-string . . .

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Re: 3 string cigar box guitars

#50 Post by Ray » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:09 am

Inharmonious noise warning !

Please pardon the pitchiness and the deviated septum caused hyponasal phonetics at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dd3FY9zgfM

Notice the ringing quality of the GBE tuned three string....Reminiscent of joni mitchell on mountain dulcimer or maybelle carter on autoharp or robert beers on cabinet psaltery.....
m.A.g.a. !

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