Reloading Brass Shotgun Shells.....My Way

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Reloading Brass Shotgun Shells.....My Way

#1 Post by rbertalotto » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:28 pm

So I was looking through Buffalo Arms catalog (An absolute must have BTW!) and saw Brass 12ga shotgun shells. I ordered up a couple boxes and the associated wads needed to load them with black powder.

The shells arrived and I realized that I didn't have any dies or a case holder to seat primers and load them. So I had to make a few devices if I was going to shoot black powder shotgun at tomorrows meet.

First was the issue of primers. I didn't have a 12g shell holder, but I realized that the brass 12g shell will fit perfectly unto the threaded insert of the RCBS rockchucker press.

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So now I just needed a way to seat the primer. I found a spring loaded primer seater from some old priming tool and I went out into the garage an made a holder on the lathe.

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It snaps into the Rock-Chucker just like a case holder

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So Priming was accomplished!

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Next I needed some way to compress the charge and seat the wads.

Back to the lathe and I turned an aluminum insert that fits into an old 6mmRemington die I had laying around.

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I made it a tight fit and used the press to force it together

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Now I had a way to compress the components

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No shell plate/holder is needed for this operation

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Once everything is compressed, a bit of nail polish...........Shhhh...Don't tell the wife!

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And we're done!

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#2 Post by Lefty Dude » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:20 am

I use an RCBS 12 ga. shell holder for priming. MEC makes a Brass loading conversion for the 600 Jr. RCBS also makes the loading dies for 12 ga.
For wad seating a 3/4" hardwood dowel works for me.

You made some nice tools, ya done good. :wink:

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#3 Post by Griff » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:44 am

I just got the RCBS Cowboy Shotshell set. IIRC, it was $75 from Midway. Don't have your machining skills or even any tools/tooling! Good adaptation of available materials.
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#4 Post by M. M. Wright » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:38 am

My brass uses large pistol primers. I made a deprimer punch that just fits inside the case and I use a hammer to knock the old primer out. I made a holder with recess for the case head and a hole for the spent primer. Then I made a plug to support the primer pocket inside while pushing the shell down on a new primer which I just rest on a flat aluminum plate under a small arbor press. I never resize and push the wads down with a piece of wooden dowel. I still use water glass, (stop leak from Wal-Mart), to hold the over-shot card in.
I have used Elmers glue and the nail polish but either one is still partly there after firing. The water glass is just gone. Besides, it's what the old-timers used.
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#5 Post by Rusty » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:29 am

I went on Ebay and won a few auctions for some antique reloading tools. I got priming tools for 20 and 12 ga, along with some dowels with fancy turned handles on top.

What I really need is a tool for cutting wads.
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#6 Post by rbertalotto » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:34 am

I would have simply bought the RCBS tools, but I wanted to shoot some shells today........plus I saved about $100 total.

Today I'll make a decapping die for the press.

What department do you find that Stop Leak at Walmart?
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#7 Post by rbertalotto » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:26 pm

Fired up the lathe and made a decapper and a new compression die.

Tried em out and they work great!

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#8 Post by hayabusa » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:50 pm

rbertalotto wrote:What department do you find that Stop Leak at Walmart?
I find it in the automotive dept. :mrgreen:

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#9 Post by Nath » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:02 pm

EXCELLENT 8)

I am impressed 8)

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#10 Post by Chuck 100 yd » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:57 pm

COOL! Nice job! :wink:

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#11 Post by Hawkeye2 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:38 am

I can't seem to find the original mention for Stop Leak in this thread. Are you using it to hold the overshot card in place?

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#12 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:50 pm

rbertalotto wrote:Fired up the lathe and made a decapper and a new compression die.

Tried em out and they work great!

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Very cool! 8) You ought to make and sell those!
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#13 Post by BlaineG » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:57 pm

Brilliant!
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#14 Post by mergus » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:05 pm

Hi Roy. I have a question for you about the height of the wad column and shot. I see that on your shells the over shot card appears to be about 3/8" below the mouth of the hull. Is that because that where top of the shot happened to be or did you choose to use a total wad height that would terminate that deep in the hull?

I ask as I have ordered brass hulls for my 10 ga Remington and as a total novice on these things, I am trying to understand why things are the way they are.

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#15 Post by 44-40 Willy » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:22 pm

Rusty wrote:What I really need is a tool for cutting wads.
I've got a 12 gauge muzzleloading shotgun that I've hunted with for over 30 years. I use a 3/4" hole punch for making wads from cardboard. Thin cardboard like cereal boxes for the overshot and thick cardboard boxes (with the corrugated inner layer) for overpowder wads (I use two of those for light loads and three for heavy loads). The .750" wads are a nice tight fit in the 12 gauge barrels. Seems to me like they would also work in a brass 12 gauge shotshell.
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#16 Post by rbertalotto » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:35 pm

Hi Roy. I have a question for you about the height of the wad column and shot. I see that on your shells the over shot card appears to be about 3/8" below the mouth of the hull. Is that because that where top of the shot happened to be or did you choose to use a total wad height that would terminate that deep in the hull?
Here is what I gleaned from the internet on loading these brass 12ga shells for Cowboy Action Shooting where you don't want a lot of recoil and you don't need a lot of shot......

I used a 45-70 case with a piece of heavy wire attached to it as a measure/scoop....

Primed with Large Pistol Primers
1 "Scoop" of FFg powder
Circle Fly 11 Gauge, .135" Nitro Shotgun Wad
Ox-Yoke 1/2" Prelubed 12 gauge Shotgun wad
Another Circle Fly 11 Gauge, .135" Nitro Shotgun Wad
1 Scoop of #9 Shot
Circle Fly 10 Gauge, .025" over shot wad

With the above component I have roughly 3/8 of space.

I took them to the range to day to try them out. The berm had a dusting of snow which was GREAT for seeing the shot pattern.........Perfect for Cowboy action.

Lots of "boom"...lots of smoke!

Hope this helps!
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#17 Post by Rusty » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:40 pm

Where's a good place to buy a .75" punch.
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#18 Post by Chuck 100 yd » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:14 pm

Harbor Freight has punches used in making Gaskets.
Gasket material also is good for making shotgun wads.
Cork sheeting found at most any home center makes great filler
wads to bring that stack height up.

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#19 Post by Hagler » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:22 pm

Rusty,

You can buy a "gasket" punch, a "cobbler's" punch, a "shoemaker's" punch, a "leather" punch, a "craft" punch, a "saddlemaker's" punch, or an "arch" punch. ebay has them:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ankorite-7-Pc-P ... 4ac0de1c45

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leather-Vinyl-H ... 19d835f406

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Tandy Leather Factory should also have them.

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#20 Post by rogn » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:38 pm

Long ago and far away I had a Lee hammer and tong shotshell loader. This was in 20 ga and it worked quite well for dealing with the 20g a. If I recall the wads I used were Herter's, and eventually I made or modified a punch to suit. These were used w/ smokeless powder and worked vey well, in both an Ithaca pump and a O/U. Keep them shiny and you dont loose them, the Ithica put the empties at your feet.

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#21 Post by mergus » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:22 pm

Hi Roy. Yes, that does help, thanks much.

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