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#1 Post by Nath » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:31 pm

Just curious!

Quite like the little CZ 527 carbine chambered in it.

Any thoughts?

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#2 Post by awp101 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Yes I like the 7.62x39 and someday I'd like to get a little boltie chambered for it as well. Preferably the CZ.

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#3 Post by Mescalero » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:39 pm

Not interested,change the caliber to 6.5 Grendal and things change.

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#4 Post by MrMurphy » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:25 pm

Think of it as a .30-30 bolt action, the ballistics are similar.

And unlike the Mini-30, the CZ has the correct twist for Russian/Chinese ammo.

It's a mini-Mauser, and very handy.

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#5 Post by damienph » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:37 pm

I am not against it but haven't had anything chambered in it since I gave my last SKS to my son. Would make a good deer cartridge in a short action bolt gun. That CZ should be a good one.

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#6 Post by Buck Elliott » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:19 pm

So far, I have steadfastly resisted....
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#7 Post by pwl44m » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:37 pm

I just sold My CZ at the last Gun Show.While a handy little Rifle I have no need for it here. I still have 2 SKSs, 1 Russian and 1 Chinese.
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#8 Post by Borregos » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:10 pm

I'm looking for a contender barrel in that calibre :D :D
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#9 Post by Griff » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:36 pm

I partook once. Still have a divot. Also left me with a strong emotional aversion. :twisted: Reminds me of a time in our history ... ah... nevermind.
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#10 Post by Hayseed » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:47 pm

Yupper , got two , one on a 95 mauser action an one on a 98 mauser action. Barreled them both myself , one with a Numrich barrel an one with an old Springfield barrel . Both shoot the 150-200 gr cast great .

I had to make a mag block to shorten well length and weld a little build up on extractor lip to grab rim for more reliable extraction but was fun projects !

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#11 Post by Marvin S » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:00 pm

I only have that caliber in a Colt light weight sporter that I have not shot in many moons. I suppose it's a good enough round for most things.

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#12 Post by 30-30 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:05 pm

Griff wrote:I partook once. Still have a divot. Also left me with a strong emotional aversion. :twisted: Reminds me of a time in our history ... ah... nevermind.
GRIFF -- perfectly understandable...seen them, but never had much interest in that cartridge...like the gun, but would prefer a different caliber...like a 30-30... :)

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#13 Post by El Chivo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:09 pm

I met a guy with one of those CZ carbines and he said it was very accurate. Nice size and appearance. I covet that gun, but it doesn't come in lefty.

I think you could compare that cartridge to .308 more closely than 30-30. Same case, spire point, and more capacity. I believe I read the .308 has more power because of the loads, but it's the same case as the 7.62. You might get some good info on Wikipedia, lots of gun nuts add to the knowledge base there.
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#14 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:31 pm

Handi-rifles are (or at least were) available in that chambering, for a nice way to use all that cheap ammo in an accurate and inexpensive firearm. Encore barrels or Contender barrels of course even better, for more money.

Otherwise - the .300 AAC Blackout is better (IMHO) - standard bore diameter of .308, uses the .223 case/bolt-face, and magazines, and runs factory loads from 220 grain subsonics to 125 grain mach-two's... 8)
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#15 Post by BlaineG » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:35 pm

El Chivo wrote:I met a guy with one of those CZ carbines and he said it was very accurate. Nice size and appearance. I covet that gun, but it doesn't come in lefty.

I think you could compare that cartridge to .308 more closely than 30-30. Same case, spire point, and more capacity. I believe I read the .308 has more power because of the loads, but it's the same case as the 7.62. You might get some good info on Wikipedia, lots of gun nuts add to the knowledge base there.
The 7.62x39 is only the same calibre as the 7.62x51 NATO/.308 round. The power is much, much higher.....I don't even care for the 30wcf argument....the short 30 has about a 120gr bullet.
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#16 Post by missionary5155 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:53 pm

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Been a partaker since the Chicom SKS was selling for about $68. Have had at least 7 and still have my origonal Chicom and 2 Yugo's and lots of that Bear ammo bought when it was 7 cents. I reload it also with the Lee 155 GC and 1680.
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#17 Post by olyinaz » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:05 am

What Blaine said. I don't think it's even up to .30-30 heat much less .308. That said, it's certainly useful within its limits, so have at it and have a ball (no pun). :lol:

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#18 Post by 44shooter » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:36 am

In the 90's, I bought a Chinese SKS for $100 in a department store. I bought 1000 rd case of Russian ammo for another $100 at a gun show. It is the only autoloading rifle I own. I don't really like it, but I don't have much in it. The CZ would be much more accurate and useful for hunting or target shooting. I agree that the round is not fully equal to the 30-30 and not even in the same ballpark as the .308. I am very curious about the new AR adaptation that RRA has in this round.

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#19 Post by Rusty » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:10 am

Paco has one or had one, he did a review of it that I think is on gunblast.com. His thought at the time was to have a centerfire rifle that he didn't have to reload for since the imported ammo is so cheap.

Remember though not all 7.62's are the same. While American .30-30, .308, and .30-06, etc shoot a .308 dia bullet, the 7.62X39 shoots a .311 bullet like the .303 British does. This might be an advantage for Nath.

Personally I think it would be a great cartridge on a great platform. CZ uses the same size action for 7.62X39 that they do for .223 & .22 Hornet. It's a handy little carbine with a set trigger.

Handloading for it would really bring out it's full potential.
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#20 Post by bobbyjack » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:23 am

El Chivo wrote:I met a guy with one of those CZ carbines and he said it was very accurate. Nice size and appearance. I covet that gun, but it doesn't come in lefty.

I think you could compare that cartridge to .308 more closely than 30-30. Same case, spire point, and more capacity. I believe I read the .308 has more power because of the loads, but it's the same case as the 7.62. You might get some good info on Wikipedia, lots of gun nuts add to the knowledge base there.
Maybe you should actually own one of these rifles that shoot these rounds.

I do and the 762X39 is not as close to the 30/30 as the 308 Win is to the 30/06.

And none of those rounds are off by any great monumental greatnness ,they are all about the

same (not like the 38 S&W verses the 357Mag) just know its limitations and don't expect more.


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#21 Post by Sixgun » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:26 am

The cartridge fits the rifle and it's intended uses. I keep several around, along with a few 5 gallon buckets of ammo.

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#22 Post by slimster » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:46 pm

El Chivo wrote:I met a guy with one of those CZ carbines and he said it was very accurate. Nice size and appearance. I covet that gun, but it doesn't come in lefty.

I think you could compare that cartridge to .308 more closely than 30-30. Same case, spire point, and more capacity. I believe I read the .308 has more power because of the loads, but it's the same case as the 7.62. You might get some good info on Wikipedia, lots of gun nuts add to the knowledge base there.
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#23 Post by model55 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:45 pm

Looked at Contender barrels once and it seemed that you needed an encore for this caliber,but the Contender would accept the 300 Whisper.

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#24 Post by Barcelona Rick » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:38 pm

Nath....I have never shot a 7.62 X 39 but I have listened to them for hours.....the CZ is a neat rifle just not the caliber I would want to own.....

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#25 Post by El Chivo » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:46 pm

slimster, thanks a bunch, great choices there...
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#26 Post by Rusty » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:09 pm

Thank you Slimster I'll have to check those out myself.
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#27 Post by reg255 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:29 pm

I have a CZ 527 CARBINE in 7.62x39.
Mags are a little pricy if you ask me.
I think it's a sweet little bolt rifle.
There are hunting round in this caliber I would hesitate using on a deer at 100 yard or less.

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#28 Post by Nath » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:51 am

reg255 wrote:I have a CZ 527 CARBINE in 7.62x39.
Mags are a little pricy if you ask me.
I think it's a sweet little bolt rifle.
There are hunting round in this caliber I would hesitate using on a deer at 100 yard or less.
Do you mean you would use it on a deer below 100yds? Thanks :)
jumbeaux wrote:Nath....I have never shot a 7.62 X 39 but I have listened to them for hours.....the CZ is a neat rifle just not the caliber I would want to own.....

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#29 Post by wolfdog » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:46 am

Killed a couple of deer with 7.62x39 out of a Norinco sks. Furthest was about 70 yards. Them deer did not know they wern't killed by a 30-30.

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#30 Post by Barcelona Rick » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:25 am

Nath I guess I was being somewhat narrow minded....the caliber is reasonable to shoot because of the price and availability...the CZ's are great rifles...I have a couple in rimfire......I guess the past probably has alot to do with my "hang up".....what I listened to where not CZ's......they were SKS's and AK's......

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#31 Post by hfcable » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:44 pm

i have the CZ527 in 7.62 x 39 and is a ball to shoot. very lightweight, well balanced, youngster friendly, great trigger, very accurate. and i have picked up lots of non corrosive ammo very cheap so for me it is a good caliber for teaching kids, and beginner adults, along with the 30/30 .
with the 30/30 i start them with reduced loads, and work up.

there is commercial, heavier bullet, expanding ammo for the little carbine to make it adequate for deer and caribou and maybe larger game close up in a survival situation.

also have an old russian sks folder, that is very accurate......and an AR carbine in the same round.
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#32 Post by 3leggedturtle » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:11 am

Theres a CZ with a Leupold small variable at the LGS for $700 or so.
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#33 Post by t.r. » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:47 pm

My USAF buddy lives in Manassas, Virginia and hunts on private farm land for deer. He typically knocks down 3 - 5 does each season with his CZ 7.62 X 39 carbine. Winchester Power Point ammo and Simmons scope. None got away. For a non-lever the CZ is a keeper!

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#34 Post by dracothered » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:30 pm

Have me one of them there Chinese Paratrooper SKS's that is real nice to handle. Only thing I don't like about it is the trigger.

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#35 Post by RIHMFIRE » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:40 pm

never really considered it...

I like the traditional hunting rounds and cowboy stuff....
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#36 Post by dracothered » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:56 pm

RIHMFIRE wrote:never really considered it...

I like the traditional hunting rounds and cowboy stuff....
If you keep it within effective range for what you are using, dead is dead...

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#37 Post by jh45gun » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:30 am

I got rid of the SKS and the AK variant I had and bought a Winchester 94 30/30 .never looked back. Do not miss the AK kinda miss the SKS but I would not buy either again. Perfectly satisfied with the lever gun and would not feel under gunned in a gun fight with one if it ever come to that.
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#38 Post by Cliff » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:58 pm

I also have a CZ527 in 7.62 caliber. I found the Russian ammo not as accurate in it as others. It is a handy little rifle (carbine). They use a 1-9 twist and require a .311 bullet. I have been wanting to develop a load for a heavier bullet to take advantage of the quicker twist. They are nice little rifles. Check them out and see what you think if possible. ATB

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#39 Post by t.r. » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:10 pm

In the 1990's, my buddies in Michigan hunted deer with their SKS carbines. This cartridge was effective at the distances they hunted. Since then many have moved out of state and I lost track of them.

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#40 Post by CBinNH » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:39 pm

I have a CZ in 7.62x39. I like it. It shoots cheap Silver Bear into 1" groups & Hornady SST ammo into less. Nice crisp light trigger. Mild recoil & cheap to feed accurately make it not worth the time to reload for it. Any of my friends that shoot it want to buy it.

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#41 Post by piller » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:15 am

I have a Mini-30 and it is fine for 75 yards or less. I wouldn't want to use it on anything other than deer or smaller. Based on the bullet weight and velocity, it just isn't as powerful as a .30-30. I bought it for something to use on pigs at 25 to 50 yards, and have yet to use it for that. My leverguns do the job better.
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#42 Post by Mescalero » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:47 am

piller, What happened?
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#43 Post by Forrest Halley » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:03 pm

I'd certainly have to agree with Piller. The .308" bore of his Mini Thirty does give him greater flexibility with bullet selection over the .311, but there is only so much gas going into that little tank. If good marksmanship is achieveable, the big magazine has its advantages, as a lot of a little will add up to enough. Engage, advance, reengage repeating as necessary: the formula for the successful big game shotgun hunter.

Something that has not been directly addressed here is the sight height above bore in these auto loaders. A tall set of sights necessitated by pistons or gas systems turns even the .223/5.56 into a rainbow trajectory when compared to a scope at 1.5" or less. It is a cartridge that approximates .30-30 ballistics (pre lever evolution ammunition) and is done a great disservice by the height of its sights. In a system like the Mini Thirty is has its best chance ballistically in a self loading rifle. The majority of the cheap ammo is .311 so go figure on that one.

I would not go so far as to say my lever gun would be a best choice for a fight or that I wouldn't feel under gunned . It doesn't strike me as a fun time to stand my ground with something I can empty in a flash ('73) or only holds eight rounds ('86). The single round reloading is just too slow, maybe with an 1860 Henry and some sort of speed loader tubes it's starting to look up. The three seconds it takes to rock, lock and rack another 20,30,40,... into place just can't be matched. Even with the edge of a more accurate weapon and even marksmanship being in your favor, the volume of fire generated by opponents makes this a sunny day solution in a fluid gunfight. All that said, I admire your guts and style sir.

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#44 Post by Forrest Halley » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:53 pm

piller wrote:I have a Mini-30 and it is fine for 75 yards or less. I wouldn't want to use it on anything other than deer or smaller. Based on the bullet weight and velocity, it just isn't as powerful as a .30-30. I bought it for something to use on pigs at 25 to 50 yards, and have yet to use it for that. My leverguns do the job better.
Have you thought about the Barnes TTSX 130gr? I believe you could push it hard and still get weight retention. I like it in the .300 WM @ 3300fps.
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#45 Post by olyinaz » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:59 pm

I'd like to have a Mini 30 rebarreled into 6.5mm Grendel, but I have limited desire to own one in the AK round. My AKs and SKSs do that just fine.

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Re: 7.62x39, anyone partake?

#47 Post by horsesoldier03 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:25 am

I picked up a few of them over in Iraq. I kept them around for nothing more than to reinforce to my Soldiers that we had the superior weapon (M4/M16). Several would argue the fact until we finally had a day to burn off some ammo on a range. I also happened to have a sheet of 1/4" steel that we were using for uparmor kits for our vehicles. My M4 with green tip ball ammo penetrated it just fine. The AK ammo would splatter and leave a lead smear and that is about it. Accuracy was extremely poor. I am sure it would be a better round if the ammo wasnt so cheap.

Back to what sixgun said, it does well for its given application, provided there is no barrier between you and your intended target.

That being said, quality ammo out of a CZ would be apples to oranges from a used AK in Iraq.
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Re: 7.62x39, anyone partake?

#48 Post by piller » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:43 am

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Re: 7.62x39, anyone partake?

#49 Post by Mescalero » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:53 am

Oh.

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