OT - If you were to build a .358 Win on the cheap.......

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:32 am

How would you do it?

Like I need another project............

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:35 am

On the really cheap? I'd look for a beat up earlier Ruger M77 in .308 or .243 and rebarrel. Milsurp actions aren't the cheap options they once were. Other makers' guns seem to ask more on the market, at least around here.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:49 am

...or how about a Handi Rifle?

Rusty <><

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:09 am

I once had a Remington pump that was rechambered from .35 Rem to .358 Win.
Wish now that I had never sold it.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:40 am

Rechambering a .35 Rem rifle to .358 Win is the cheapest, provided the action can take .358 Win pressure - I wouldn't do a .35R Marlin 336.

The next cheapest would be to have a .243, .260, or .308 Win rifle rebored to .358 Win - doable by most rebore shops, provided the muzzle O.D. is at least .600". The chambers are all the same, and the rebore will open the neck, but a quick "clean up" cut with a .358 Win finishing reamer may be neeed. It wasn't, when I had a .243 Win Model 100 carbine rebored to .358 - the gunsmith included re-reaming the gas port, as part of the job.

Rebarreling would be the next - unless the proper barrel can be had dirt cheap.

OR

You could spend about the same $$$$, and buy 1886's BB94 .356 Win - and your "project" could be to go out & shoot something !

http://sixshootercommunity.com/levergun ... .php?t=305

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:08 pm

Get a used Savage 110 and order a .358 barrel from Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... t=11082005

johnly · Post by **johnly** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:42 pm

Just got off the phone with Jessie Ocumpaugh and he'll rebore a 308 to 358, restamp the barrel and open up neck and re-throat the barrel for $160 including shipping. What a deal!

John in Oregon

HEAD0001 · Post by **HEAD0001** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:47 pm

I do not know if you are considering a pistol?? I have an MGM Encore barrel. It is 12 inches long(including the port). If you are interested let me know. Tom.

Levergun · Post by **Levergun** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:22 am

I don't see the point of doing this

?

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:56 am

Levergun wrote:I don't see the point of doing this ?

The .358 Win. cartridge is interesting both because of its' performance, and the fact that ammo is almost free, if you handload and cast your own bullets.
Brass can be formed easily from .308 Win, which is so common as to be almost free.
The .358 can be safely loaded to almost the same power as the .35 Whelen, with jacketed bullets.
I am just starting to load for my .358 Win. Browning lever action, using Montana Bullet Works 200 gr bullets at around 2100fps in reclaimed FC .308 match brass. The gun looks like it is going to shoot about 1moa.

Jack

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:11 am

Levergun wrote:I don't see the point of doing this ?

I've got brass, dies, bullets and loaded ammo. No gun.

I had a pre-81 BLR that tore the meplat on the WFN cast bullets on the locking lug threads. Killed accuracy. I'm still interested in the gun for comparing 200 yd terminal performance to 30 cal.

Levergun · Post by **Levergun** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:36 am

Tycer,
The rifle chossen for this task will have to be a lever action or a single shot. So If you want to go cheap, you may want to contact the folks at H&R and see if they can help you out.

What lever action are you going to get at a low enough price to rebarrel it for 358 Win.? I don't know. It has to be a strong action and it has to be able to shoot speer point bullets if you want to utilize the capabilities of the 358 Win. That is why it shoots so good in the Savage, there is no magazine tube. Same with the BLR, it is a clip magazine. But those two rifles are expensive!

I love my 358. I have it in a Savage 99. It is a nail driver. I load 46 gr. of 4895 with a Hornady 200gr. SP bullet and Winchester 358 brass. It goes at about 2300 FPS.

I also have a good load using 45 gr of H335 and a the 200gr. Hornady bullet. It runs about 2400 fps. Before hunting season two years ago, I could not get anymore of the H335 and had to work up the 4895 load. I just have not dialed in my rifle for the H335 load since. Too many other guns I am working on to hunt with this year!

I think the only reason the 358 Win. faded away was due to the lack of interest in the Lever action rifles. Bolt actions took over and that Whelen round is a good cartridge.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:19 am

Levergun wrote:Tycer,
The rifle chossen for this task will have to be a lever action or a single shot.

Or Bolt action. If my Win Mod 670 were a short action, it would have been done already....

Levergun · Post by **Levergun** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:09 pm

I didn;t know you could put a rimmed cartrdge in a bolt action? See...What do I know.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:11 pm

.358 Win is the same as a necked up .308 Win, although if you neck up .308 it's a little short.

The .356 Win is the rimmed version of the .358. As the .307 Win is the rimmed version of the .308 Win.

Levergun · Post by **Levergun** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:16 pm

Oh Yeah! Duh!!! Man I am just not thinking today. Course that would not be the first time!!!

Ray · Post by **Ray** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:34 am

I have a 110 in .358. I use the 180 gr hornady ssp over a caseful of 4198. I bought 3 of these barrels when midway clearanced out the first run of them. I gave $69.99 each. The extra barrels were set aside for reaming to .35 whelen and .358 norma( i have a magnum bolt as well). A month or so after I bought the .358 barrels they offered a .35 whelen barrel for $89.99 and I bought one but have not had a chance to use it.

All you need is a wrench(from midway) and a sized dummy cartridge to set headspace. I have a .220 swift, .243 win., 25-06, 6.5x55mm, .270 win.,7mm rem. mag, 7.62x39mm, the original 30-06, .338-06, .338 mag, .358 win., and .35 whelen. I was planning on getting a .375 h&h, a .416 taylor, and a .458 win mag. but they either discontinued them or never discounted them enough for my budget.

The only problem with my 110 other than heavy trigger pull and the extractor slippng off the slightly smaller 7.62x39mm head was getting the original barrel broke free. It took considerable effort to loosen what with the factory varnish thread sealer. It takes about 5 min. to change one now.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:54 am

Tycer wrote:How would you do it?

I have a 38 Turk small ring Mauser in 8x57 still in cosmoline while it waits on me to decide what to do with it. A re-bore to .358" + opening up the chamber neck ought to be afordable. I'd then have a 358x57. Maybe it'd be a 35 von Whelan, huh?

Post by **Old Savage** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:38 am

My very thought for years about a Czech mauser that I have.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:41 am

What you reckon it would cost, OS? What twist? 1 in 14?

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