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For years there have been persistent incorrect terminology concerning the Winchester lightweight rifles. Dealers, and others, insist on calling the .33 caliber guns "extra lightweights". They are not.
Those were simply cataloged as "33 caliber rifle", regardless of the configuration. Also, full magazines and High Velocity sights ARE NOT special order items on the Extra Lightweight .45-70 rifles. Special order would include other calibers than .45-70, receiver or tang mounted sights, and embellishments like upgraded wood and engraving.

This page from the 1910 catalog will explain my point.Image
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30 bucks :o :shock: More than likely the most expensive part of their kit, in those days.
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The updated price list of 2 January 1917 shows the 33 caliber rifles at $34.50 and the EL 1886 45-70 at $ 28.50 and the TD priced the same as the .33. The carbine was still $22. :)
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BlaineG wrote:30 bucks :o :shock: More than likely the most expensive part of their kit, in those days.
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It's amazing how valuable a U.S. Dollar used to be. Or a plain old "copper" for that matter - one simple cent. :shock:

Thanks for the terminology class! I've found that osmosis doesn't really work all that well for learning gun related things - at some point an old/wiser guy has to actually SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE. What a concept...

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From the name of the topic, I thought you had a bent barrel. Neat info anyway.
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The only "bent barrel" I had was when I ran over my Model 97. When I was done you could nearly shoot around corners with it. Big wowee. :oops:
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Per online inflation calculator

1910 $25 = $578 today

1910 $30 = $693 today

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I noticed both LW's were 22" barrels while the .33 WCF wears a 24".
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Affirmative, Rimfire. That is exactly why the .33s are not considered LWs. That category was reserved for the .45-70s.
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thank you for the post and the info...nice ad...there are days i wish i had a way-back-machine...oh well... :)
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Mike, do you know what the 86's sold for in the depression? 1929, 1930?
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Mike,
I agree with you and the catalog. The .33's were a tad heavier due to the longer barrel and a smaller hole in the barrel which makes it heavier.................but.........................................................

You and I both know that lightweights had steel buttplates and extra lightweights had hard rubber buttplates along with a hole drilled in the buttstock to lighten it even more. Of the two dozen or so 45-70 "extra-lightweights" I have played with (mine and others) over the years all had the hard rubber buttplate and the .33 "lightweights" were about a 50/50 mix of hard rubber or steel. I have no idea if stocks were switched back in the old days due to whatever.

My current stock of two extra lightweight 45-70's and two e-lw 45-90's have hard rubber buttplates and my sole example of a 33 has the steel plate. I have owned two other .33's and both had hard rubbers and my b-i-l's has hard rubber. My buddy Gary has two .33's that are steel.---------Sixgun
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Jack, I have ELTDS in .38-56 and .45-90 that wear smooth and checkered steel buttplates. Others have hard rubber, both with "peak" and without.
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