POLITICS: Sorry Junior, Here's how your Party sees you.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:15 pm

Salon (How Left can we be?) is positively gleeful that 2008 might be the year that the Democrat Party finlly tells Junior (and our other Gun-Friendly Democrats) where to get off.

"So Long White Boy..."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/20 ... print.html

I really hate having to say "See I Told You So".[/url]

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:36 pm

OI, don't believe everything you read on the Internet. We Dems didn't win both houses of congress without a lot of Bubbas voting Democrat.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:46 pm

I would agree if this were just a Blog, but this is Salon - which is lightyears ahead of DU/Kos/MoveOn in credibility.

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:09 pm

Of course they're givin' up on the "Bubbas" of this country. After all, most of 'em have jobs. The Democraps wanna pander to the inner city welfare recipient, ain't about to work crowd. You know, the sheep that will benefit most from a Democrat Presidency.

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:16 pm

So Nancy Pelosi is your poster girl?

Post by **Hobie** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:58 pm

Junior wrote:OI, don't believe everything you read on the Internet. We Dems didn't win both houses of congress without a lot of Bubbas voting Democrat.

Junior,

We discussed this a bit back about 6 months or so ago. This is the way of the DNC and it is continuing. The big cities can win elections and the country folks be darned. You are one of those.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:04 pm

Unfortunately, the Bubbas that I know that are voting Democratic are doing so simply because that was the way their great grandfathers, grandfathers and fathers voted going all the way back to the Civil War and don't realize that over the years the Democrats and Republicans have reversed roles.

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:11 pm

Junior wrote:OI, don't believe everything you read on the Internet. We Dems didn't win both houses of congress without a lot of Bubbas voting Democrat.

And the Nazis came to power with Jewish support.

Pelosi, Reid, Clinton et al will load ya'll into the boxcars along with rest of us.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:25 pm

Face facts, guys. Hillary will soon be President Hillary. What you should do is make sure your local and state politicians are pro-gun. Around here local and state anti-gun candidates don't get elected.

Post by **Hobie** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:31 pm

We're on the cusp at the state level due to Dem domination of cities. Local level doesn't matter due to pre-emption. National matters and you might be right, we might be headed down the shredder chute.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:49 pm

Junior wrote:Face facts, guys. Hillary will soon be President Hillary. What you should do is make sure your local and state politicians are pro-gun. Around here local and state anti-gun candidates don't get elected.

Why shouldn't we want pro gun federal politicians, if they even exist?
I doubt Hillary will get elected anyway. She cant even do it in her home state.

I dont doubt the next Pres will be a Democrat tho. I'll do my best to prevent it, but the way the Republicans been screwing up combined with our collective inability to realize neither party actually has our interests at heart & get behind a real conservative like Ron Paul, it seems almost foreordained.

Local & state politics are great things to have on your side but its all for naught if someone like Hillery gets into the Whitehouse. A national ban on handguns wont get stopped by a pro gun Governor or state legislature. Neither will the next assault weapons ban or whatever else they dream up.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:10 pm

Don't forget that the DC handgun ban is close to getting the stress test at the SCOTUS. Hopefully they will uphold the appeals court ruling.

Even if the legislature and executive go Democratic ... I'm sure some of them will remember the backlash from the CB1994 that cost them politically for a decade. I'm not sure they are prepared to take control and then immediately step in the steaming pile of a gun control agenda. There are a lot of rural Dems in the House that are pro-gun and have overwhelmingly pro-gun constituencies.

Of course, as a conservative, I'm far less interested in any of this as I'm currently digging in my closet looking for my "Nuke'em 'til they Glow" T-Shirt from 1979 so my kid can wear it to school. Anyone remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis? Payback has been a long time in coming ... but it is closing in fast.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:46 pm

Junior wrote:Face facts, guys. Hillary will soon be President Hillary. What you should do is make sure your local and state politicians are pro-gun. Around here local and state anti-gun candidates don't get elected.

I understand that Junior, but you've got to face the facts that "local" doesn't mean squat when it comes to Naional/Federal Law (as dictated by urban Facists... both R&D).

That's why the Anti Federalists demanded the Bill of Rights before the Constitution was rarified. BOTH parties seem to have forgotten that.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:58 pm

OI, Hobie, think about something--this country can not exist as an urban half and a rural half. Divided, we fall. We become Shiites and Sunnis.

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:01 pm

What needs to be understood, is that WONDERFUL Democrapic house and Senate that are now tha majority and setting in motion, negotiations to, for the first time ever, talk to the UN about the USA JOINING them in their world wide gun ban.

As much as the dems hate Bush, he and his appointees have told the UN to take a flying leap, but the Dems are going to go through with it and you can bet if Dillary or Barak Osama get in, they will allow it.

Sheep cannot attack if unarmed. The dems want sheep, not citizens. After all we are not capable of taking care of ourselves.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:19 pm

Junior wrote:OI, Hobie, think about something--this country can not exist as an urban half and a rural half. Divided, we fall. We become Shiites and Sunnis.

Your point is?

Rural People understand this. I grew up understanding this. But now I live in the Chicago 'Burbs. I deal with Urban/Burban-ites every day. THEY are the ones who don't understand. Hell, they spend as much time as possible intentianonally trying to ignore the fact of where and how there food is produced.

Sometime you ought to try explaining to an Urban Vegan (always Democrat) how animals HAVE TO BE KILLED for them to have their pesticide/herbicide free "organic" tomato & bean sprout sandwich.

Hell. If the Democrat party of today were the Democrat party of 1950 I'd likely vote for them too. Unfortunately, today, the Republican Party is the Democrat Party of the 1950s.

That's why I vote Libertarian in every election where it doesn't matter, and Republican where the Libertarians can't win.

The simple fact is, the Urban Masses (including Urban Big Business) essentially run America and Rural America can go hang.

If it weren't for the Electoral College and the House, Rural America would already be the slaves of the Urban/Industrial (Mercantilist/Socalist) Machine.

Untill Rural America realizes that - WE SUPPLY YOUR FOOD - Urban Mercantilist/Socalists will continue to make NATIONAL LAW that will be noxious to Rural Dwellers (and Freedom in general.)

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:31 am

I started to wake up after the LA Riots. They were pulling folks who were not black(aka White, Korean, etc) out of their cars and trying to kill them. I waited for a condemnation and call for calm from Black Democratic leaders saying something to the effect...."we have our grievances, but killing innocent people is not the answer" but instead heard "this is what you get, white America". Ever since that time I began to see the Democratic party as people trying to uphold power for "their kind," be it women, blacks, homosexuals, etc, but never for the country as a whole(yes I see Rebublican hypocrisy too). The same party that talks about being color blind is the least colorblind with quotas and jury stacking. The same party that talks about tolerance for all kinds will not tolerate any dissention from the secular/humanist/socialist agenda that it holds so dear. The same party that will spend millions to save an endangered mouse in a farmers field will go on to spend millions to deny the personhood of an unborn human being, fully formed and feeling pain. No thank you. I am most disturbed by the fact that educated folks that have access to the facts still choose to believe that these folks have anything offer our country and the human race.

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:44 am

Junior wrote:OI, Hobie, think about something--this country can not exist as an urban half and a rural half. Divided, we fall. We become Shiites and Sunnis.

That is exactly right and that's my point.

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba · Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:56 am

C. Cash wrote:I started to wake up after the LA Riots. They were pulling folks who were not black(aka White, Korean, etc) out of their cars and trying to kill them. I waited for a condemnation and call for calm from Black Democratic leaders saying something to the effect...."we have our grievances, but killing innocent people is not the answer" but instead heard "this is what you get, white America". Ever since that time I began to see the Democratic party as people trying to uphold power for "their kind," be it women, blacks, homosexuals, etc, but never for the country as a whole(yes I see Rebublican hypocrisy too). The same party that talks about being color blind is the least colorblind with quotas and jury stacking. The same party that talks about tolerance for all kinds will not tolerate any dissention from the secular/humanist/socialist agenda that it holds so dear. The same party that will spend millions to save an endangered mouse in a farmers field will go on to spend millions to deny the personhood of an unborn human being, fully formed and feeling pain. No thank you. I am most disturbed by the fact that educated folks that have access to the facts still choose to believe that these folks have anything offer our country and the human race.

That pack of vicious, souless thugs feed off their own, as well. There's a bunch of good people trapped in the city that don't know how to get out and the Liberals like it that way. After awhile, hope turns to don't care 'bout nuttin

or No one

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:07 am

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba wrote:
C. Cash wrote:I started to wake up after the LA Riots. They were pulling folks who were not black(aka White, Korean, etc) out of their cars and trying to kill them. I waited for a condemnation and call for calm from Black Democratic leaders saying something to the effect...."we have our grievances, but killing innocent people is not the answer" but instead heard "this is what you get, white America". Ever since that time I began to see the Democratic party as people trying to uphold power for "their kind," be it women, blacks, homosexuals, etc, but never for the country as a whole(yes I see Rebublican hypocrisy too). The same party that talks about being color blind is the least colorblind with quotas and jury stacking. The same party that talks about tolerance for all kinds will not tolerate any dissention from the secular/humanist/socialist agenda that it holds so dear. The same party that will spend millions to save an endangered mouse in a farmers field will go on to spend millions to deny the personhood of an unborn human being, fully formed and feeling pain. No thank you. I am most disturbed by the fact that educated folks that have access to the facts still choose to believe that these folks have anything offer our country and the human race.
That pack of vicious, souless thugs feed off their own, as well. There's a bunch of good people trapped in the city that don't know how to get out and the Liberals like it that way. After awhile, hope turns to don't care 'bout nuttin or No one

You're right Blaine...lots of good folks there. I left the Central Valley in 1996 and did spend time down there. The Liberals, having pooped in their own nest, are retiring to AZ, CO, OR and WA to enlighten these states with their failed policies. It's also not suprising that the Democrats want our guns, as this is the only way that they will enventually be able to force their(and the UN's) version of Utopia on us. When we lose this right to bear arms, we lose all, as history shows us well.

Post by **AmBraCol** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:29 am

C. Cash wrote: You're right Blaine...lots of good folks there. I left the Central Valley in 1996 and did spend time down there. The Liberals, having pooped in their own nest, are retiring to AZ, CO, OR and WA to enlighten these states with their failed policies. It's also not suprising that the Democrats want our guns, as this is the only way that they will enventually be able to force their(and the UN's) version of Utopia on us. When we lose this right to bear arms, we lose all, as history shows us well.

Who was it that talked about "useful idiots"? Those who don't recognize the ultimate goals of those who currently control the Democrat party fall well within that designation. All talk of "local guys don't think that way" ignores the fact that "local guys" don't mold national policy. And it's national policy that will kill us on the local level.

And those who think that the Republican party is much better in this respect had better start looking more carefully at their hole card too. We can no longer afford to "compromise" our freedoms away. "Compromise"? Let's compromise - only NOW is the time to start demanding that the disarmament crowd give up territory instead of the other way around. We need to push for national recognition of the importance of the Second Amendment for personal and national security. We've had four decades of failed disarmament schemes that have driven our crime rates through the roof. It's time to put personal responsibility back where it belongs and hold folks responsible for their actions. Tools (including weapons) are not the problem. People with no sense of responsibility for their actions are the problem - including those members of government who punish the law abiding for the actions of the criminal element amongst us.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:19 am

CLEARLY.... SOMEONE IN THIS FORUM WAS DROPPED ON HIS HEAD
WHEN HE WAS A KID.....AND IS A BIG
L

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba · Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:58 pm

RIHMFIRE wrote:CLEARLY.... SOMEONE IN THIS FORUM WAS DROPPED ON HIS HEAD
WHEN HE WAS A KID.....AND IS A BIG
L

Lets's talk ideas and not people

About half of America is going to vote Dem next election. Let's try to talk them out of it, not insult them. The Politicians, IMO, are fair game and Mrs Clinton is a buttmunch first class

Post by **AmBraCol** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:26 pm

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba wrote:Lets's talk ideas and not people About half of America is going to vote Dem next election. Let's try to talk them out of it, not insult them.

Excellent point. It does no good to use ad hominem attacks. Talking about ideas can be productive, unless we start equating individuals with the ideas they espouse.

I've lived under socialist governments most of my life. And the vision the Democrats have for the US is a nightmare to those of us who've known both freedom and socialism. The whole "national healthcare" idea is horrible. After over 200 years you'd think folks would realize how hopelessly inept government is in administering almost anything - so why do folks want to entrust them with our healthcare? Gov't run healthcare will be what I've got right now. A box of ibuprofen for anything from a cold to a broken bone and come back in a month if you're not better.

And then there's the whole idea of trusting the political descendants of Marx to guard our liberties. They WILL go after our weapons, it's just a matter of time. Just look at their continuous thrust to impose an amnesty for those who have broken our immigration laws. They will NOT rest as long as they think they can foist their ideas upon an ignorant and apathetic population. The same will happen with our weapons. As soon as they think they can they'll be back to outlaw EVERYTHING - it's only a matter of time.

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:42 pm

Junior wrote:Face facts, guys. Hillary will soon be President Hillary. What you should do is make sure your local and state politicians are pro-gun. Around here local and state anti-gun candidates don't get elected.

HILLARY'S FIRST NIGHT AS PRESIDENT

Hillary Clinton gets elected President and is spending
her first night in the White House. She has waited so
long... The ghost of George Washington appears, and
Hillary says,
"How can I best serve my country?"
Washington says, "Never tell a lie."
"Ouch!" Says Hillary, "I don't know about that."

The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson
appears... Hillary says, "How can I best serve my
country?"
Jefferson says,
"Listen to the people."
"Ohhh! I really don't want to do that."

On the third night, the ghost of Abe Lincoln
appears...
Hillary says, "How can I best serve my country?"
Lincoln says, "Go to the theater."

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:06 pm

AmBraCol wrote: The whole "national healthcare" idea is horrible. After over 200 years you'd think folks would realize how hopelessly inept government is in administering almost anything - so why do folks want to entrust them with our healthcare?

Because 46,000,000 Americans have no "our healthcare." Zero, zilch, nada. Get cancer or heart disease and get laid off and you'll almost certainly join those in the nada category.

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:28 pm

Then hillary will require you to buy your own. Here is sincerely hoping she goes to the theater - with bill.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:34 pm

And where in the great documents of this country does it say that the government is responsible for your health? No where why because this country is founded on the priciples of self responsiblility. Do I feel bad for people that dont have health care sure I do but it is not my fault that they didnt do the things needed to make sure they have it.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:38 pm

So slug if someone doesn't have the money for heart surgery you say let 'em go home and die? Even kids, huh?

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba · Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:45 pm

Junior wrote:
AmBraCol wrote: The whole "national healthcare" idea is horrible. After over 200 years you'd think folks would realize how hopelessly inept government is in administering almost anything - so why do folks want to entrust them with our healthcare?
Because 46,000,000 Americans have no "our healthcare." Zero, zilch, nada. Get cancer or heart disease and get laid off and you'll almost certainly join those in the nada category.

Amidst those 46,000,000 are Service members not covered by insurance, or the folks on Medicaid not on insurance....I'm with perfecly good VA care, and they count me as one of those because I am not on insurance.......Gotta look close.....Having said that, we lose a lot of medical care money filtering it thru the HMOs and insurance companies......I'd support a VA or Military care model.....Or better yet, give me the same health care that Hilary has, or any of those cheap bastages....

My problem is that the poor are covered and the rich are, too.........The average blue collar Joe can get wiped out by a major medical issue and that just aint' right if his taxes are going for the welfair queens to have care and board

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:46 pm

If people cant be responsible for them selvs then I have littel simpathy for them. A lot of the people in our great country are on welfair not because they arent able to make themselves better but because they are so poor minded that they are happy with they way things are. If people want life to be better they need to get off their A** and help themselves. Their are even government programs out there to help them do it.

If you want the governtment to pay for you health care go see a recruiter. Or apply for a government position.

Post by **AmBraCol** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:51 pm

Junior wrote:So slug if someone doesn't have the money for heart surgery you say let 'em go home and die? Even kids, huh?

The answer to health care isn't to nationalize it. Limit the asinine "mal practice" awards so that mal practice insurance isn't such a drain. This will lower the cost so that folks can afford it. I'm not sure what it'd take to bring down drug costs, but I'm sure there's ways. I can walk into any drugstore in Colombia and pick up about anything I need - reasonable, to say the least. So it's not the cost of manufacture - there's something else keeping medicine in the stratosphere.

"National Healthcare" won't solve anything. It will create a whole new set of problems and the cost for the nation will be absurd as well. Anything the government gets its hands on is mismanaged and over priced. Healthcare will be the same.

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:03 pm

And here is the fallacy they fall for - the govt. can take care of everything. They are herd animals.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:22 pm

You right-wing guys swallow camels and gag on gnats. The biggest "welfair queens" are corporations. Point is, you can't stand an individual getting $1 from the dole, but you think it's just fine for a giant company to get $1,000,000,000 from the dole. Oh, I forgot. They create jobs, huh?

What your no-dole attitude does to once middle class hard working Americans who have the misfortune of cancer or heart disease and then losing their company healthplan, is to force them to slowly die. Try getting health insurance with a history of heart disease.

Luckily, like Tubby, I have the VA. Thank God! You guys who depend on some sort of company group health care plan better hope for two things: (1) your company stays solvent and your boss stays friendly; and (2) either you, your wife, or one of your kids don't develope a major disease.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:41 pm

Technically, I'd say the big corporations aren't "getting welfare" so much as they aren't paying the taxes that they should in the first place. Though there are too many instances of subsidies in several industries which are close enough to welfare.

The health insurance issue is one that needs to be addressed. The main thing that I have a problem with is that although an individual can get health insurance and often pays less for the same coverage than what they pay in combination with their employer ... when they get sick the insurer can drop them like a cold dead rock with no hint of resource on the insured's side.

In contrast, an insurer can't drop a "group" just because a few of them get sick. Which is apparently why the whole "health plan" through employers is in place.

If an insurance company couldn't drop an individual as easily as they currently can ... I think more people would be insured. If you buy insurance on an individual basis, due to these provisions, there's far less risk to the insurer and far less benefit to the insured. Fixing this issue by making the insurers stick by the risks they assumed when they took the money (premiums) would be a step in the right direction IMHO.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:48 pm

Rimfire
I think you are on the right track making insurance companys stick with there customers would go a long way.

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba · Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:49 pm

Junior wrote:You right-wing guys swallow camels and gag on gnats. The biggest "welfair queens" are corporations. Point is, you can't stand an individual getting $1 from the dole, but you think it's just fine for a giant company to get $1,000,000,000 from the dole. Oh, I forgot. They create jobs, huh?

What your no-dole attitude does to once middle class hard working Americans who have the misfortune of cancer or heart disease and then losing their company healthplan, is to force them to slowly die. Try getting health insurance with a history of heart disease.

Luckily, like Tubby, I have the VA. Thank God! You guys who depend on some sort of company group health care plan better hope for two things: (1) your company stays solvent and your boss stays friendly; and (2) either you, your wife, or one of your kids don't develope a major disease.

Perhaps, if the Socialists, would stop trying to buy votes from the poor, they would get jobs and when they are all working and paying taxes maybe the Universal Medical would be doable. I know handicapped people that type with their feet, Junior, so dont tell me that most of these lazy ignorants can't do SOME kind of job. The Socialists have never been able to make their system profitable. Ever. How about this? A good major medical for everyone to avoid the crush of a cancer or other expensive deal? And why are we currently spending about half of our medical money on people that we know will be dead shortly, but we extend their lives another painful 6 monthes? Or a policy that treats cancer, but not the preventitive medicin that would have stopped it? Insurance and politicians are what screwed this whole thing up.

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:55 pm

Tubby, you're starting to talk like a Democrat. . . .

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:08 pm

Who's going to pay for it Junior?
Who's going to employ people? The Government?
Which corporations get these billions? Cite your sources. Cite the amounts given to each corporation. Name some names. (BTW the DNC is NOT a valid source. Sorry. )

Junior · Post by **Junior** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:13 pm

BruceB wrote:Who's going to pay for it Junior?

We'll reinstate GWB's tax cut for those making over $250,000 a year in dividends and interest. You've got to have a lot of money in the bank to collect $250,000+ in interest.

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:25 pm

Junior wrote:
BruceB wrote:Who's going to pay for it Junior?
We'll reinstate GWB's tax cut for those making over $250,000 a year in dividends and interest. You've got to have a lot of money in the bank to collect $250,000+ in interest.

Rob those who earn to pay for the up keep of the lazy. Typical Socialist thinking.

And the answers to the rest of the questions I asked you?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:51 pm

Junior, I want ALL welfare to end. ALL of it. Farm subsidies, Corporate Welfare, Social Welfare. ALL of it.

I'm really tired of having my meger income stolen at gunpoint each year.

On Healthcare: Why should I pay to subsidize other people's bad health habits?

Oh yeah, I forgot, once the All Encompasing (and heavily armed) Federal Government is in charge of Health Care they will PROHIBIT bad habits and MANDATE that you go to the doctor of their choosing for the tests of their choosing.

Casting Lead? Bad Habit.

Think I'm kidding? The Poor Populist with the $400 hair job said JUST THAT in one of his stump speeches.

Premier Edwards would make it MANDATORY to see one of his State Doctors on whatever schedule the STATE sees fit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/v ... 23750.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070902/ap_ ... /edwards_2

The Breck Girl is more dangerous than Hillary... but at least he's telling you exactly how it MUST turn out with them in control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grtBUYHCj1s

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:03 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:Junior, I want ALL welfare to end. ALL of it. Farm subsidies, Corporate Welfare, Social Welfare. ALL of it.

I'm really tired of having my meger income stolen at gunpoint each year.

On Healthcare: Why should I pay to subsidize other people's bad health habits?

Oh yeah, I forgot, once the All Encompasing (and heavily armed) Federal Government is in charge of Health Care they will PROHIBIT bad habits and MANDATE that you go to the doctor of their choosing for the tests of their choosing.

Casting Lead? Bad Habit.

Think I'm kidding? The Poor Populist with the $400 hair job said JUST THAT in one of his stump speeches.

Premier Edwards would make it MANDATORY to see one of his State Doctors on whatever schedule the STATE sees fit.

"The plan would include mental health care as well as dental and vision coverage for all Americans."

So they will check to make sure we aren't mental defectives!

Ein volk; Ein Reich; Ein fuehrer! Sieg Heil!

Great bunch them Demonkrats.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:06 pm

BruceB wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote: "The plan would include mental health care as well as dental and vision coverage for all Americans."

So they wil check to make sure we aren't mental defectives!

...

Amazing how that should come up just after the NRA supports a plan to put "mental defectives" into the NCIS...

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba · Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:15 pm

I"m old enough and finished with all the important stuff, except getting older....I may refuse to go to the back of the bus and see what happens......

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:51 pm

Guys I have to tell you I'm torn.

I KNOW without a doubt, if the dems get in this will come to pass and one side of me hates to see it. On the other hand, the Bible is VERY clear, there WILL, not maybe, but will be a single WORLD running government. That much is clear. In order for the USA to be part of it, we'll have to be disarmed first, or destroyed.

In church 2 weeks ago, our pastor pointed out something, I'd assumed for many years. I'd always thought USA was a good God fearing country and was kinda sitting on the sidelines of Armageddon, but according to his explanation, which made sense to me, we are NOT even in the picture.

Not THAT brings a LOT of things to mind, none of which are good for us, but the fact remains, there is NO mention of a country that far west. It's all about the middle east and north and south of them.

My point is we are playing out God's plan whether we like it or not, and fighting to the end just might be a part of the plan.

We feel and vote as our hearts tell us. Everyone sees Bush as the source of division in America. I see him as a pawn in Gods' plan for the world. If it wasn't George W. it would have been whoever else made it in. Gods plan will NOT be skewed by man.

The Apostle Paul always had a dream to preach the Gospel to the rulers in Rome, even when God told him to go other places. Paul got on a ship to Rome alright, but it was in chains, and he spent his dying days preaching in Rome, but from a cell.

It will happen as God planned, and most likely folks like us, on both sides of this fence, are a part of His plan.

No one man or president is responsible for troubles this country has, or that the world has, nor will any one man, or woman, be able to fix it. If it's Gods will and His plan this happens, we can and WILL fight to our dying days, but it will happen.

Junior,
You have every right to feel about GWB any way you want, and we can feel about Bill and Hillary any way we want, but they do what God has planned, for His plan to come to pass.

I really hope in spite of our political difference, we can all meet together in the gathering in the clouds, when Christ returns. Most likely won't be any leverguns up there, but we won't care then.

Before we get so worked up over this topic, lets remember we are part of the shooting community, some of us like bolt guns, some like single shots and some like levers. Right, wrong, good or bad, lets just shoot and share together, before we make even more enemies. We have enough on the other side of the pond.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:25 pm

Rob those who earn to pay for the up keep of the lazy. Typical Socialist thinking.

I dont agree with most of what Junior comes out with but thats one I do.
Its not robbery, its taxation & if a guy who'll never make $250,000 a year workings gotta pay then a guy that collects $250,000 in dividends shouldn't get a cut. Fair & equitable.

Not so sure about the social medicine but I think if we scrapped welfare for anybody who could work it could be funded easy enough. Course we couldn't go careing for 12 million illegal immigrants either.
Its hard, I think its best if folks care for themselves but at the same time, as a community we have a responsibility to those that truly need help. Problem is theres chunks of our population that live off the system & bog it down so its hard on those that really need it. No easy answer.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:12 am

BlaineCGarverakaTubbyTuba wrote:I"m old enough and finished with all the important stuff, except getting older....I may refuse to go to the back of the bus and see what happens......

Tubby - I'm with you, though not old enough, with young children to still raise. But I refuse to live life on my knees - I'd rather die free. I don't think I could bear the shame of looking my kids and someday grandkids in the eye and said I said there and did nothing while Hillary and her crowd destroyed our great nation. I fear Junior is right - Hillary may be the next President. If so, the "two Americas" stuff Edwards pushes may come true - those who submit, and those who die resisting...

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:36 am

handirifle wrote:Guys I have to tell you I'm torn.

Junior,
You have every right to feel about GWB any way you want, and we can feel about Bill and Hillary any way we want, but they do what God has planned, for His plan to come to pass.

I really hope in spite of our political difference, we can all meet together in the gathering in the clouds, when Christ returns. Most likely won't be any leverguns up there, but we won't care then.

Before we get so worked up over this topic, lets remember we are part of the shooting community, some of us like bolt guns, some like single shots and some like levers. Right, wrong, good or bad, lets just shoot and share together, before we make even more enemies. We have enough on the other side of the pond.

Handirifle, I abbreviated your post but just wanted to say well said all around. Speaking for myself, I believe in attacking the issues, and not the people. We are all works in progress and I would be proud to sit at the campfire with any of you. My best friend works for the Democrats here, and though we go round and round and I am at a loss for why he cannot think rationally

, I still love him as a brother and would defend his right to say what he wants to say to the death. Same goes for the folks here. I don't know how much longer we as Christians will be able to say what we feel and believe to be true, though, without it being labeled "hate speech". Should get interesting, to say the least.

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:22 am

Leverdude wrote:
Rob those who earn to pay for the up keep of the lazy. Typical Socialist thinking.
I dont agree with most of what Junior comes out with but thats one I do.
Its not robbery, its taxation & if a guy who'll never make $250,000 a year workings gotta pay then a guy that collects $250,000 in dividends shouldn't get a cut. Fair & equitable.

Class envy. Another Socialist tactic;" It's not fair that they have more than you do , so let the Government take away from them."