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Just musing over the 'EBR' thread, and some others over the past regarding home defense, 'militia' weapons, CCW, etc...

I tend to divide firearms ownership into several categories (of course multiple reasons may apply to any given firearm).
  • Collecting
    • Investment Value
      Historical Interest
      Mechanical Attributes
    Hunting
    • Recreational
      Professional
      Survival
    Target Shooting
    • Plinking
      Competitive
    Protection
    • Self/CCW
      Home/Family
      Ranch/Farm
      Community
Some guns are very narrowly-niched; a non-firing Civil-War relic is pretty much a Historic Collectible. Others can serve many functions; multiple niches are filled with guns like:
  • a levergun in .357 Mag
    a Revolver in .45 Colt
    an AR-15 with 20" bull-barrel
That's what makes it so interesting a hobby...!

Any other 'categories' you guys can think of...?
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Annoying the UN?
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Just because I can.

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jhrosier wrote:Just because I can.

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So far.
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So I can say "You can try"... and be able to back it up.
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jnyork wrote:
jhrosier wrote:Just because I can.

Jack

So far.
+ 1 The UK government make it difficult but not impossible, yet.
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I am not annoyed if you own one or many guns :?:
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BECAUSE I CAN, all else is secondary, rationalization, etc. I hunt (though less than in the past, shoot CAS, and simply enjoy owning guns. I once built up what turned out to be a 1/2 MOA 10/22, and it was 18 mos after finishing the build that I even put it on paper, and have only shot it a few times in about 10 years, but enjoy it immensely when I do.
Next weekend I'll be picking up my most expensive, longest time to complete gun ever, a gun with no real reason to exist except I wanted one. A pre WWI (started out a 7MM most likely, rimless extractor) Rolling Block #5 action with a heavy Douglass Bull Barrel, action trued, action job, chambered (custom Manson reamer) by the late Dave Higginbotham of Lone Star Rifles, I did the metal finishing, antiqued finish, including a Lyman globe and Marbles tang peep sight, with Treebone carving walnut stock inletted and finished by a friend of mine (He's had it a year). A mutual friend tells me it is beautiful. It's chambered in Cowboy .45 Special, my round, and to my knowledge is the only properly chambered rifle in C45S anywhere. Why? Just because I wanted it, and it'll total in cost more than all but a few of the cars I ever owned, around three grand.
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What reason do I have for owning guns?

Because I want them.

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game keeper wrote:...
+ 1 The UK government make it difficult but not impossible, yet.
I think of you fellows in Formerly Great Britain when I handle or shoot my L1A1.

What I am thinking about is:

If gun laws don't prevent criminals from getting guns or committing crimes, and if gun laws don't prevent crazy people from getting guns and killing lots of innocent folks, why do we allow the rulers to continue to pass and enforce them?

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Because democrats like most of New England and Calif push for it.
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For the art work -

Could a moderator please delete all but my first one here - I guess I really disturbed my computer/OS for all the repeats
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For the art work -

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Got this .31 rimfire 4 barrel pepperbox Derringer from a grateful patient

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Room decoration - trapdoor Springfield 45-70 from great uncle - 1888 model - Army issue S/A war just before turn of century

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Adds character to family room - I was almost 16 when my folks moved to the city and I found there were other ways to make a living besides being a cowboy -

Endless reasons - but - I just like guns I guess and never thought of having a reason. My 86 year old knees made me give up motorcycling and skiing but, I can go to the range and shoot every week and the quality of the company there is 95% great - had a "little" heart problem last year and missed a couple of weeks - the range officer called my home to see if I was sick or something - friends play golf which I could never learn to like - but I doubt such thing would happen there - or most other places.

Or, maybe the anti-gunners who think love of guns is a virus - I got my first 22 single shot rifle for my 6th birthday in 1932 and have never been without guns since.

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Sorry for the double posting - my computer/Windows7 or something is evidently jealous of my love of guns :roll:
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the categories can be filled by the same gun set up in different ways, or defined by different guns set up for a particular use...

Target shooting

- indoor (low light - 1x scoped, red dot, laser, or fire sights - also ideal for home defense)
- outdoor (medium range - iron sights)

Hunting

- small game (short range but hard to see - scope w/magnification)
- big game (medium range - brush - iron sights)
- big game (long range - open country - scope w/magnification)

Protection

- home defense (close range, low light, see indoor setup)
- field defense (close range, brush gun setup)

My point being you could set the same gun up for several different uses; so it's not just the firearm but how it's "tricked out" that fills the niche.
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AND, for hunting, don't forget:

*Monday Guns (RF, CF & shot)
*Tuesday Guns (ditto)
*Wednesday Guns (ditto)
*Thursday Guns (ditto)
*Friday Guns (ditto)
*Saturday Guns (ditto)
*Sunday Church and/or Bar-B-Q guns . :mrgreen:

It's nice to have a hobby. ;)

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My "collectible" guns are 60's/70's Colt double action revolvers, but these also can easilly be categorized as self defense firearms too, or hunting sidearms

The leverguns are all pretty special to me, but in truth, most are utility grade hunting rifles- nothing too fancy or of particularly high value

With the exception of a couple of target rifles and maybe a couple of the short barreled EBR's, most of my firearms can be cross-categorized and can fill many roles pretty easilly
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I was lucky to be born into a family that loved the outdoors with parents that encouraged us to spend as much time as possible in it. That included hunting and shooting. My Dad got me involved in NRA 22LR 50' Indoor Match competition in 1963 when I was nine years old. He gave me my first (of many) rifle when I was seven. It just never occurred to me not to have guns. I had never thought about why I owned them...
I never realized, until I was in the Army, that there was, is, a fairly large segment of society that hates firearms and hates those of us who enjoy owning and shooting them as well.
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Because, the letter and spirit of the supreme law of the land requires that every conscientious citizen be armed.
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Mescalero wrote:I am not annoyed if you own one or many guns :?:
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If I was President of the NRA, I'd encourage and promote than every citizen should own a practice with an M4, cause it is the current military Infantry weapon. I'd use members dues to set up and maintan shooting ranges. I'd explain the true meaning of the 2nd amendment and hammer home the FACT that neither Romney or Obama is gun friendly.
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tman wrote:If I was President of the NRA, I'd encourage and promote than every citizen should own a practice with an M4, cause it is the current military Infantry weapon. I'd use members dues to set up and maintan shooting ranges. I'd explain the true meaning of the 2nd amendment and hammer home the FACT that neither Romney or Obama is gun friendly.
And that's the difference between an RKBA advocate/activist and The Vichy Frenchman.
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Was there a question in there? What guns?
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I wanted a pistol for self defense, right after all the so-called peaceful protest (i.e.-riots) the past couple of years. I had an opportunity to shoot a 45 Colt 30 years ago and like the round to the point that I would never have another. So I started looking for a pistol in 45 Colt, and after doing some investigating I decided I like the Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt, but before I could find a used one for sale I came across a bullet that changed my course of action. Yes I ran across the Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion round in 45 Colt, of which would not chamber in the Ruger Redhawk.

The following Videos are what convinced me that it was the perfect self-defense round ever made, and I bought two boxes of the rounds before I could even find a gun for sale that could chamber them, due to the COVID scare/lockdowns/BS going on.

Before watching this one, first make a 2.5" square and then measure the square diagonally from corner to corner (of which is 3.5"s), and with that measurement in mind watch the video and pay attention to the ruler that shows at what depth and duration it occurs.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bo44nokg88

Don't really need to watch this one, just see the picture it shows before watching it. It shows that over penetration is not an issue when aiming mid-chest.
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHqeyEmEeeM

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3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAI7Vr2k8I

Shows what happens when going through different types of mediums.
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTolNB42R80

The picture before starting this video shows what happens to the bullets fired out of a 2.5" cylinder x 2" barrel [Bullet travel within the gun is 3.5" measured from the back side of the bullet to the end of the barrel] compared to a 3" cylinder x 6.5" barrel [Bullet travel within the gun is 8.5"]. To me it would seem that either the S&W Governor with a 2.5" cylinder x 3.5" barrel, or the Taurus Judge with a 3" cylinder x 3" barrel [both with a bullet travel of 5" within the guns] would be perfect for this bullet to expand fully every time without over folding backwards as it consistently did with the 3" cylinder x 6.5" barrel gun. Anywho the 5" travel should yield around 9" to 10" penetration. Also pay attention to the difference as to what happens to the jell blocks between the one shoot by the gun with a 2.5" cylinder x 2" barrel and the one shot by the gun with a 3" cylinder x 6.5" barrel. Boo-yah!
5) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLonprIWm4


So I pondered over the few pistols that could actually chamber this round and settled on the Taurus Judge Magnum in Stainless Steal with a 3" chamber and 3" barrel (See pic below). The picture below is of the one I ended up getting.

Underwood Ammo loads of these .45 Colt bullets start out .452" wide and .9" long and then end up at 1.75"s wide and .319" long, all the while retaining their full weight of 220 grains of this Ruthless Apex Trajectile (aka: The R.A.T.) The energy rating is 394 foot pounds at the end of the muzzle which is fully dumped within the target. Also keep in mind that I bought these rounds from Underwood Ammo that rates them at 900 fps, of which these videos use the Leigh High Defense ammo that is rated at 850 fps, so I should get penetration perhaps upward of 10" to 12"s in jell blocks with no bones in the way to slow them down some. All in all I should get at least 8" to 10" even when a rib gets in the way, yet no matter what the bullet should not be able to get past the back rib cage due to it being spread out so much. If any thing it would seem that the expanded bullet would bounce back if it did have enough energy to actually make it to the back ribs to start with. (keep in mind that the bullet travel within my Judge is 5")
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So given the extreme accuracy of the 45 colt, and the fact that when aiming center chest there is no reason to worry about over penetration with this bullet, one need not hesitate firing due to fear of collateral damage period! And as far as that goes one's excuse for using such a round would be that this self-defense round is designed to take out the threat with the least amount of shots needing to be fired, with no risk of hurting anyone else. And I can not think of any other bullet that can do the job as safely as this one. Hence this is the only round that I will ever use in my self-defense mechanism (i.e. - The Judge).

And so yes, I bought the gimmick gun that spawned one hell of a serious round! But now I need a rifle to go with it and have been looking at the Rossi Circuit Judge as it can shoot the exact same rounds, whether it be the Lehigh Extreme Expander 45 Colt, regular 45 Colt, .410 shot shells. But also I like the Rossi Puma 45 Colt Lever action and will have to make up my mind as to which one I'll get. So I am here to learn about Lever Action rifles before I pull the trigger on buy one or the other.


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Because I don't need a reason. But this is what’s on my hip this morning.
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I am interested as to what the problem was with the red hawk chambering that Lehigh ammunition; was the cylinder not long enough?

I have no experience with a 45 Colt / 410 handgun, other than a contender pistol, which I always shot 410 shotshells in, and it was kind of fun although mostly I just used it as a range toy. However, I did briefly own a break open handi-rifle in 45 Colt / 410, with the thought of letting my kids hunt with it back when it was legal to use even a 410 shotgun slug for deer, but illegal to use any rifle. Since it was perfectly legal to use a 45 Colt handgun at the time, but my kids were young, I reasoned that a 45 Colt out of a rifle would surely be as adequate from a humanitarian standpoint for hunting deer, but be far more manageable for 10-12 year-old kids than a handgun. So, my plan was to use this break open firearm that was officially a 410 shotgun, only let them use 45 Colt ammunition in it, since a 45 Colt round is clearly Superior to a 410 shotgun slug in terms of making a clean kill.

Unfortunately, what I found with that break open rifle was that no matter what 45 Colt load I used, even off the bench I was lucky to get an 8-inch group at 15 yards...!

So I almost resorted to having them use 410 shotgun slugs because those would group into an inch or two at 15 yards and stayed within 6 inches out to 50 yards.

Fortunately, that year Indiana allowed straight wall pistol caliber cartridges in long guns, so my kids got to choose between a 357 or 44 Magnum in the form of my 1894 Marlin rifles. Whichever one they were able to hit a soda can three times in a row with at 50 yards, they would get to hunt with.

Having said all that, I think for inside the home purposes of self-defense, I really wouldn't have a problem relying on using 45 Colt rounds in a 45 Colt / 410 revolver, because when you are dealing with a distance of 3 to 5 yards, I don't think accuracy is much of an issue. Instead, the terminal ballistics of that bullet is what is going to matter, and it looks like that Lehigh defense round is quite adequate...!
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I've bought a couple rifles and at least one pistol simply because I wanted to take them apart and learn how they worked.
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cas wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:37 am I've bought a couple rifles and at least one pistol simply because I wanted to take them apart and learn how they worked.
Lol me too.

That's probably the main reason I want to buy an 1895 Winchester, and would consider buying a Luger 9 mm. Neither one feels a niche that I don't already have filled with numerous other firearms, but they are just interesting mechanisms.
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9 years later and I still find I have to ask was there a question in there? A right not exercised is soon curtailed.
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Griff wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:03 pm 9 years later and I still find I have to ask was there a question in there? A right not exercised is soon curtailed.
Not so much a 'question' as just curiosity.

And there is no need to 'justify' firearms ownership. The original query was just a 'hobby' question.
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AJMD429 wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:40 pm I am interested as to what the problem was with the red hawk chambering that Lehigh ammunition; was the cylinder not long enough?
Yep, the Lehigh bullet itself is .9" long, and when loaded correctly the round is 1.9" long. This negates it use in any regular 45 Colt or even 454 Casual guns.

Here is the quote from Underwood Ammo:
"Due to the length of the projectile, this ammunition is designed to be used specifically in .45 Colt/.410 firearm systems including but not limited to; Taurus Judge, Smith & Wesson Governor, and Magnum Research BFR, and 460 Smith & Wesson revolvers. Not to be used in a Bond Arms Derringer."

So this round should also work in the Rossi Circuit Judge as well.

Here is what Lehigh says:
"Safety Notes: Not for use in a Bond Arms Derringer"

Neither of them explain as to why one should not use these rounds in any Bond Arms derringers, which makes me want to go and do such to figure out just as to why not. I figured because most of the barrels are so short that the rifling would not stabilize the bullet well enough to hit head on whereby not working the hollow point as intended, yet they have upwards of a 6" barrel option so who knows.

Anyway, it would seem as if one could load it in a .45 Cowboy Special case, or simply trim down a 45 Colt or Casual case just enough, and make it work with any 45 Colt or 454 Casual guns that can handle the pressure (so long as one knows the ends and outs of reloading that is).
https://www.starlinebrass.com/45-cowboy-special

I am by no means one to ask anything about reloading, yet I might just have to learn and make my own loads with this round with a trimmed case if first I ever find a Ruger Redhawk with the rounded butt grip first.
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My primary interest in owning the majority of the guns I own is collecting. But my main interest in collecting is the history behind a particular model or maker, or provenance to some individual. I am on cloud 9 anytime I can acquire a gun that I can document it's provenance to an individual! Of course if the individual is well known I'm pretty pleased, but even if he's only known to a small group, or area, I'm still happy.
I also shoot everything I own, regardless of whether it's a gun I got cheap, or a gun I paid dearly for. I just love being able to shoot one of my old guns and wonder how the previous owners felt shooting them when they were new?
I wish they all could talk, and tell their story from first being made, to arriving in my possession! Some I have can tell there story, but many can't.

Of course I love to hunt, and have hunting rifles that aren't collectible; and handguns for self defense, plinking, etc. But those make up a small amount of my collection of guns.
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I grew up shooting hammer guns......my BB gun was a Daisy 1894. Carried a Steven single shot and an Ithaca "Martini" levergun, then a Garcia Rossi gallery 22 for a thousand miles it seems. So if it has a hammer, I'm interested. Octagon barrels make them more appealing. Over half my collection has a hammer.
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TomF wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:46 am I grew up shooting hammer guns......my BB gun was a Daisy 1894. Carried a Steven single shot and an Ithaca "Martini" levergun, then a Garcia Rossi gallery 22 for a thousand miles it seems. So if it has a hammer, I'm interested. Octagon barrels make them more appealing. Over half my collection has a hammer.
Yes I too am far more interested in something with a hammer or hammers... :D
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Bragging rights. I mean seriously, its a valid reason. A lot of folks toting big bores, safari guns, tactical long range setups are doing so for the same reason as a fella who has a monster truck.
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OJ wrote: Sun May 20, 2012 12:19 am For the art work -

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Got this .31 rimfire 4 barrel pepperbox Derringer from a grateful patient

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Room decoration - trapdoor Springfield 45-70 from great uncle - 1888 model - Army issue S/A war just before turn of century

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Adds character to family room - I was almost 16 when my folks moved to the city and I found there were other ways to make a living besides being a cowboy -

Endless reasons - but - I just like guns I guess and never thought of having a reason. My 86 year old knees made me give up motorcycling and skiing but, I can go to the range and shoot every week and the quality of the company there is 95% great - had a "little" heart problem last year and missed a couple of weeks - the range officer called my home to see if I was sick or something - friends play golf which I could never learn to like - but I doubt such thing would happen there - or most other places.

Or, maybe the anti-gunners who think love of guns is a virus - I got my first 22 single shot rifle for my 6th birthday in 1932 and have never been without guns since.

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Nice pics. Without sounding indelicate, is OJ still with us. Said he was 86 back in 2012 when he posted.
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I guess 'OJ' lives on through his posts.

Seemed like a great guy.

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