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#1 Post by Ray » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:09 pm

I have secured permission to hunt a much coveted swampy hollow surrounded by rocky ridges, mature hardwood, and 10 year old pine thickets. The only access to the property(that I am allowed to use) is a yuppie/soccer mom walking and bicycle trail that passes from the metroplis through an industrial area and on into the wilds beyond. I have to park my old pickup amongst the range rovers and mercedes and hoof it about two miles to the property access point. Hunting and openly carried firearms are verboten on the trail but I have the full blessings of both the "powers to be" and the landowners to slay deer and swine in the swamp. I plan on purposefully not looking like a hunter. Dragging the beast out is not illegal but will surely cause a second look and a reproachful glare from the brisk walking mums pushing the baby prams and the bicyclists with their hard hats, tight breeches and feet clamped to the pedals.

I am planning on putting together a break-down carbine based on the T/C Contender. I dug out my old frame that was already set up with buttstock. I ordered an extra hinge pin and have had a washer tig welded to one end of it. This allows the gun to be broken down and carried in a backpack and quickly assembled at the stand site without having to monkey around with forend and screws or any tools. I have factory 16.5" barrels in .223 Rem. and .35 Rem. but I might try a custom barrel in another chambering made without forend lugs as these will not be necesary.

Please give your opinions as to what chambering to order should I decide on a custom barrel. I have already slain several deer with both the .223 and .35 barrels. Don't scratch your heads too long or think too hard. Just tell me the first chambering that comes to your mind that you would use in these same circumstances to slay 150 lb. max. deer or swine at under 125 yds. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.
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#2 Post by tman » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:27 pm

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#3 Post by nemhed » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:36 pm

For that kind of hunting I would go with 7x30 Waters. I've always wanted to try that in a Contender. Just my two cents. Post a picture of your set up when you get a chance. Good luck!

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#4 Post by Pete44ru » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:33 pm

[ I plan on purposefully not looking like a hunter.]
[ Dragging the beast out is not illegal but will surely cause a second look and a reproachful glare from the brisk walking mums pushing the baby prams and the bicyclists with their hard hats, tight breeches and feet clamped to the pedals.]


Yep - 'Sounds like ya need a .35 Rem Bicycle Rifle ! ;)

You kin even ride in on a Mountain bike, with one of those tow-behind prams, to fold up field-dressed game for a stealth haul-out. :mrgreen:

I think, though, that you owe it to yore brother levergunners to post a pic of yerself with the aforementioned "hard hats, tight breeches & feet clamped to the pedals". ;)


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#5 Post by mikld » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:07 pm

3o-30? or .44 Mag.?
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#6 Post by mescalero1 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:17 pm

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#7 Post by Ray » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:35 pm

Pete44ru wrote:
I think, though, that you owe it to yore brother levergunners to post a pic of yerself with the aforementioned "hard hats, tight breeches & feet clamped to the pedals". ;)


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You will never see me with professional bicycle garb. I refuse to wear the helmet even in the face of fines from the yuppie trail constables. I cannot wear tight breeches due to my shape and would not even if I were slim. I figured out how to keep my feet on the pedals without the aid of restraints back when I was just a wee lad and have never forgotten how. Getting a picture with both me and one or more these professional cyclist goomers is unlikely. They travel too fast. :twisted:
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#8 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:37 pm

Pete44ru wrote:You kin even ride in on a Mountain bike, with one of those tow-behind prams, to fold up field-dressed game for a stealth haul-out. :mrgreen:
I'd love to see the face on the soccer mom who lovingly peered into your baby-pram to gaze upon your sweet little one... :o :lol:

The 35 Remington would be fine, but if you're like me, and need an excuse to buy another barrel, :wink: I'd pick a cartridge you have another gun in, if you want 'practical', or if you want 'just for fun', pick something cool in the power range of the rounds suggested above.

For a breakopen, the sky is the limit, and I always liked the .25-35 Winchester, so that might be what I'd get, since you're not talking really large deer.
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#9 Post by Ray » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:43 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
For a breakopen, the sky is the limit, and I always liked the .25-35 Winchester, so that might be what I'd get, since you're not talking really large deer.

....hmmm. :idea: 25-35 Winchester and Speer 87gr. TNT or Nosler 85gr. Ballistic Tip at about 2500fps. Might work
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#10 Post by Hobie » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:47 pm

I'd use what I had, the .35 Rem.

I like the idea of the hinge pin mod but I got a folding stock from Choate for my Contender with 16¼" barrels. Those are .22 WRFM, .30 Herrett, 10mm Auto and .41 Rem Mag. Truth is, any levergun round would work. It all depends on what you WANT to use. I'd also prefer to have a forearm. Shooting the without is all right but not the greatest for consistency of grip.

The 3-bicycle-wheeled push pram with cover would get you in and out without having to dismantle the gun although you might want to do so for legal reasons. Just tell any nosy women you have a physically disabled autistic child and you resent their discriminatory demands to peek under his/her "shade". :wink:

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#11 Post by Ray » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:05 pm

Hobie wrote:I'd use what I had, the .35 Rem.

....Yep, the Remington .357 158gr. JSP or the scalloped nosed 180gr. JHP at 2000fps. will do the trick. My first handgunned deer fell to such a load. Then again the .223 loaded with any bullet stiffer than a typical prairie dog pill, that is to say, 50gr. to 64gr. at 2900fps. simply snatches the soul out of any 150 lb. whitetail. I have three skulls on the wall for proof. :P
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#12 Post by shawn_c992001 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:09 pm

45-70, 30-30 (you can use pointy bullets), the sky is the limit with a Contender! I have 2 44 mag pistol barrels 14" and 6" for sale if you are interested PM me.
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#13 Post by Doc Hudson » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:34 pm

I like.35's.

I'd use the .35 Remington, and if I really wanted a different barrrel I'd have one made up in .358 Winchester.

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#14 Post by pokey » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:11 pm

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#15 Post by 76/444 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:33 am

First, I would use what I have.

Second, you need to factor in your shooting ability in both calibers and distances you intend to shoot, and what size game.

Both, in my opinion, will do the job on deer and moderate size pig, if you do your part and shoot accordingly. That being head and neck shots w/223 and whatever your preference with the 35 Rem.

But, personally I would rather go with the 35 Rem..

If you are totally bent on another caliber,... someone here had some pics up of a TC in 444,...if he sees this thread , maybe he will post a pic. And, with the 444 being my preferred caliber to handle anything and everything that comes down any path,.... that is what I would upgrade to.

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#16 Post by mescalero1 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:58 am

Odd,
you seem interested in .25-.35 but passed on .25 Bullberry.

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#17 Post by horsesoldier03 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:03 am

Well the .35 Rem sounds good to me but if you were dead set to buy a new caliber and given the stealth mode parameters you have been given in your situation, I would go for a lower REPORT range. I am thinking a .45 Colt and keeping shots at short range since your in a swamp area anyways.
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#18 Post by rjohns94 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:19 pm

one of the whisper rounds, big bullet, low powder, great penetration, not much report.
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#19 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:24 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Odd, you seem interested in .25-.35 but passed on .25 Bullberry.
I just liked the .25-35 since I first saw the round in the 1960's - they didn't have the Bullberry then :wink:

I do LIKE the idea of a "whisper" round for that application - if legal in the area, consider a .444 Marlin with a heavy but slow bullet - just be sure the twist is ok for a SLOW bullet. If the state allows .500 S&W, that opens up heavy/slow bullets, as well; even saboted rounds if you want to experiment a bit.
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#20 Post by Rusty » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:12 pm

The .35 with 180 grainers for the extra large piggies you might run into.

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#21 Post by Lawyer Daggit » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:06 am

Thanks for the idea about the washer!

I have 3 TC Barrels for my Contender Carbine:

1. .22 LR
2. .223
3. 30-30 which I have had Ackley Improved.

I suggest the .30-30 Ackley. I feed it .125 gr ballistic Tip projectiles. This tends to be very flat shooting, and has become my walk around rifle for wherever fast repeat shots are not anticipated.

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#22 Post by Lawyer Daggit » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:58 am

I agree with Mikld- 44 or 30-30

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#23 Post by Old Skirmisher » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:06 am

I found that my T/C carbine in .375 Win. was a good deer killer.

Plus, the chamber was long enough to accept 38/55 rounds for black powder plinking!

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#24 Post by Hobie » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:48 am

Well, Ray, what'd you decide to do?
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#25 Post by Ray » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:50 pm

Hobie wrote:Well, Ray, what'd you decide to do?
Good question. I blush and stammer with averted eyes in hesitation to give the answer..... : :oops: .....but I have decided to use my old faithful .223 barrel with 64gr power points at about 2900fps. It has slain a truck-bed load of bucks each one with only one shot. No head or neck shots either, just in the deer's armpit and I put the empty cartridge case in my pocket and don't even bother to reload. You had to ask. Now I wait for the tongue lashings to begin. :wink:
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#26 Post by Ray » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:39 am

Resurrecting an ancient post...

Hope to finally get around to hunting this spot this fall....

Have moved on from contenders and encores....for modern choices I have an ak-47 pistol, an ar-15 pistol, a keltec folding sub-2000 .40 s & w, and a c.v.a. .50 v2.....

For nostalgia sake I have a T / C scout .50 pistol and a Lyman .54 great plains pistol....

All of the above fit nicely into the water bladder pocket of a daypack provided the machine pistols have the shorter magazines ....

Obviously, with my poor eyesight and the new choices of guns chosen, the 125 yd. possible range mentioned in the original post is going to have to be much closer....

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#27 Post by Carlsen Highway » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:25 am

In the same situation I have taken the buttstock off a Rossi 92, slid that down the side of my pack, and the butt down the other. All of my solutions involve leverguns and no spending of money.

I would have said use the .223 to your original question too. People kill big deer round here with .223s and think nothing of it.

I like the 7.62x39 in your choices there. But what is an AK47 pistol?
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#28 Post by Ray » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:11 am

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In the same situation I have taken the buttstock off a Rossi 92, slid that down the side of my pack, and the butt down the other. All of my solutions involve leverguns and no spending of money.

I would have said use the .223 to your original question too. People kill big deer round here with .223s and think nothing of it.

I like the 7.62x39 in your choices there. But what is an AK47 pistol?
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#29 Post by Carlsen Highway » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:04 am

Man, thats a machine pistol! If anything it looks scarier!
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#30 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:36 pm

I have an Encore barrel in 300 Blackout from https://matchgrademachine.com, 16" and threaded for a suppressor, but came with a nice 'brake' on it. With a folding stock, that would be a great backpack gun. Get a fast twist so you can use subsonic and it isn't even that noisy without a suppressor.
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#31 Post by fordwannabe » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:32 pm

I am In final stages of my machinist.making a good backpack gun almost done but not quite. Marlin 1895 with .a 17.inch barrel, threaded for a suppressor and converted to takedown.Scout scope with QD rings, fiber optic backups, WWG trigger, ejector, and a Large loop also..it was good enough for JW and Chuck......! Gun will be all done this month ATFE paperwork????????
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#32 Post by 2ndovc » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:01 pm

That sounds wicked cool!!

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#33 Post by Merle » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:15 pm

Ray wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:09 pm
I have secured permission to hunt a much coveted swampy hollow surrounded by rocky ridges, mature hardwood, and 10 year old pine thickets. The only access to the property(that I am allowed to use) is a yuppie/soccer mom walking and bicycle trail that passes from the metroplis through an industrial area and on into the wilds beyond. I have to park my old pickup amongst the range rovers and mercedes and hoof it about two miles to the property access point. Hunting and openly carried firearms are verboten on the trail but I have the full blessings of both the "powers to be" and the landowners to slay deer and swine in the swamp. I plan on purposefully not looking like a hunter. Dragging the beast out is not illegal but will surely cause a second look and a reproachful glare from the brisk walking mums pushing the baby prams and the bicyclists with their hard hats, tight breeches and feet clamped to the pedals.

I am planning on putting together a break-down carbine based on the T/C Contender. I dug out my old frame that was already set up with buttstock. I ordered an extra hinge pin and have had a washer tig welded to one end of it. This allows the gun to be broken down and carried in a backpack and quickly assembled at the stand site without having to monkey around with forend and screws or any tools. I have factory 16.5" barrels in .223 Rem. and .35 Rem. but I might try a custom barrel in another chambering made without forend lugs as these will not be necesary.

Please give your opinions as to what chambering to order should I decide on a custom barrel. I have already slain several deer with both the .223 and .35 barrels. Don't scratch your heads too long or think too hard. Just tell me the first chambering that comes to your mind that you would use in these same circumstances to slay 150 lb. max. deer or swine at under 125 yds. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

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#34 Post by fordwannabe » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:11 pm

:D Jason I really hope this is as much fun as I think it will. I got a silencerco hybrid so same can for 223 savage bolt Gun, 357 rossi, 44 mag Marlin,35 Remington, 45-70, and 458socom. The takedown feature is pretty cool too. Having a case made for it so scope and both halves will be in a individual padded sleeve.
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#35 Post by m.wun » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:30 pm

I'd go with a 30-30 with pointy 150gr ers. If I was looking for something new and fun 375 jdj .
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#36 Post by Mike Armstrong » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:42 am

MGM in Utah currently has a sale on 16 1/4" .357 Magnum and .357 Maximum barrels for the Contender Carbine. I've used the .357 Mag in a Contender Carbine for several years on blacktails and wild pigs and it is quite effective. This caliber has the advantage of being readily available and able to use a very wide range of loads, including shot (at close range).

MGM makes excellent barrels; they supplied all the "T-C Custom Shop" and "Fox Ridge" barrels in the past. I have many Contender barrels and only one is a T-C product; the rest MGM*.

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#37 Post by 6pt-sika » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:52 pm

If I were you and had it in my head to use a Contender Carbine I'd scratch around and find a 7-30 Waters barrel . Although there's certainly nothing wrong with a 30-30 , 35 REM or 375 WIN .
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