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I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:17 pm

....and yes, I know they usually work ok, and that even exposed-hammer guns can misfire, but overall, I like to SEE what is going on, and be in CONTROL of it, as with a 1911, or a Taurus 92, where you can SEE the hammer, and it is either NOT under spring tension, or if it is, you have some definitive locks to prevent hammer-fall. A 'striker' is just too invisible for me to trust, because like ANY mechanical thing, it can malfunction. :evil:

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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#2 Post by Twodot » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:37 pm

that incident wasn't the guns fault.
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#3 Post by wecsoger » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:57 pm

Technically a Glock is not a true striker-fired semi-auto, but I've tired of arguing the difference.

More to this particular story than what's being told.

It is possible in theory for a Glock to fire without pulling the trigger.

It's in the same category as me running a six minute mile (green suit days I could eights and nines, but that was twenty plus years ago)

I'm pretty familiar with the innards of these critters - used and owned since '86

Unless the trigger bar is pushed in, the trigger will /not/ go back

Unless the trigger is pulled and pushes up the firing pin safety (plunger) it is physically impossible for the firing pin to forward

Until proven otherwise to me, they were wrestling, gun fell, someone tried to catch/grab it and the trigger got pulled

Sorry somebody is dead, but there are some things you should /not/ be doing when carrying

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#4 Post by Blaine » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:52 pm

Doc, I know that you have said that the best safety in between your ears. Need I expound on that? 8)
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#5 Post by COSteve » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:43 pm

So, by your logic, you don't trust the human heart to do it's job long term because you can't see it, right? Same with the digestive track, nervous system, brain, spinal cord, muscles, ligaments, lymphatic and endocrine systems, reproductive system, etc., etc. are all not optimal because they are hidden from view, right?

Get with the program and embrace a simple, reliable system . . . . even if it's not visible, it works and works well.
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#6 Post by rossim92 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:27 am

yep. you have to, or something else, has to pull the trigger to make gun go boom. I trust my glock better then any other handguns i own against accidental firing. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#7 Post by elmo123 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:13 am

The way the Glock and all of the other striker fired pistols are designed it shouldn't have discharged without the trigger being pulled. The strikers is only half cocked prior to puling the trigger.
There is a striker/firing pin block in the slide that is depressed when you pull the trigger. This prevents the pistol from firing when it is dropped.

It's hard to say what happened without examining the pistol but I feel sorry for the family to have lost someone so young.

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#8 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:15 am

COSteve wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:43 pm
So, by your logic, you don't trust the human heart to do it's job long term because you can't see it, right? Same with the digestive track, nervous system, brain, spinal cord, muscles, ligaments, lymphatic and endocrine systems, reproductive system, etc., etc. are all not optimal because they are hidden from view, right...?
Well, yeah...! All them innards are just waiting to malfunction....that's my job security....! :D

I do agree with the fact that the gun shouldn't have been able to discharge, since normally the spring is only 'partly' compressed. Likely either the gun had been modified (bad!) or maybe broken internally or messed up during reassembly (did that with a 1911 once), or was 'grabbed' as it fell...

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Sorry somebody is dead, but there are some things you should /not/ be doing when carrying...
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#9 Post by JimT » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:07 am

"FECAL MATTER OCCURS"

Often when we have gotten so used to doing something without any problems that we go into condition White and are not paying attention.
Rather than blaming an inanimate object (which things can malfunction) I try to watch myself (who does malfunction).

Here's a rather sobering look at accidental/negligent discharges ... the individual stories are sometimes horrible. Though I did like the one where the guys dog shot him.

https://www.concealedcarry.com/safety/3 ... oth-wrong/

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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#10 Post by marlinman93 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:15 am

Can't say I'm find of striker type handguns either for a carry gun. Not that I feel they're unsafe; I just like exposed hammers. I don't care for plastic frames and grips either, but that too is just my personal preference for real metal and wood.
But even internal hammer guns aren't particularly what I like either, unless it's for target shooting. I love my old High Standard handguns for bullseye matches, and don't care if they're internal hammers, or earlier external hammer guns.
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#11 Post by piller » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:10 pm

Accidents can and do happen. The outcomes can be heartbreaking. It seems to me that in the accident being used here to show why you dislike certain designs, yes it was negligence. I could be incorrect, but it doesn't seem as if the Glock actually failed. I am thinking that it was human error. A very sad human error.

I am not a fan of Glock pistols as I don't like the feel of the square-ish grip. As far as the rest of the gun, I have one and it has been no trouble so far. If my dislike of the feel of the grip is my only issue, then it is not much of a problem.
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#12 Post by piller » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:26 pm

When my Dad was in the Air Force back in the early 50s, at the base in Geibelstadt, Germany an Air Force Policeman was killed by his 1911 while it was cocked and locked. The AP came in to the Duty Sergeants room and said something, then threw his 1911 butt first at the desk. HARD! It caught the edge of the desk just right for the firing pin to bounce forward and set off the loaded round in the chamber. The AP was struck in the forehead and he died instantly. It was a wood desk, and the pistol was still stuck to the desk when the clerk from outside came rushing in to find out what happened. The subsequent investigation found that the pistol was still cocked and the safety was still engaged. There was an empty piece of brass in the chamber and the recovered bullet was a match for that pistol's rifling. The only prints on the gun belonged to the AP. Yes, it was a freak accident that probably could not happen again. IT DID HAPPEN. No firearm is completely immune to accidents.
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#13 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:49 am

I prefer a 1911, but find both the Glocks and Springfield XDs to have their uses. Things I like about the XD are the Browning-esque grip safety, the tactile cocking indicator at the rear of the slide and the loaded round indicator.
I'm sure the XD safety system could be defeated -- anything man-made can be -- but I think it is an inherently safer design than the Glock.

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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#14 Post by Deaf Smith » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:04 am

Been packing a Glock since CHL first started here in Texas (yea... I have a real low serial number on my CHL/LTC!)

Now I grew up on Colt 'O' and S&W 'K' frame hoglegs... I was a Jeff Cooper and Bill Jordan man (yes I hip shoot and use two hands.. I use sighted fire and point shooting... and I'm so fast I go back in time (and I can bend bullets to.)

Now I do have a 1911, Kimber Stainless Classic, I use as my 'Sunday Go-To-Meeting' gun. Accurate as a rifle that gun is. And I do have a S&W 640 Centennial (my first CCW gun, custom red insert front sight and Eagle Secret Service stocks) I use as my 'jogging cloths' gun.

But, the main gun is the Glock 26 with Heinie Straight Eight sights, Ny-1 and 3.5 lb connector, and Bowen 'tactical' grip reduction. Got it at a pawn shop done that way (except the NY-1 trigger) for $400 about 15 years ago. I can do head shots with that gun at 20 yards!

And I used a Glock 17 for many many years in IDPA, and before that a P-35 High Power in IPSC. I have lots of trophies! I prize reliability.

Oh, and my hiking gun is Ruger 3 inch GP-100 .357 (and some times Security Six .357.) My pretty S&W revolvers sleep in the safe with the exception of my S&W 629-1 4 inch .44 you see in my avatar!

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#15 Post by jdad » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:14 am

You guys have forgotten about the Sig 320 "voluntary" recall. You can see the videos online of the "drop it just right and it goes boom" video. I tried it with mine (unlooaded) before sending it back and I heard the click of the striker. I have no problems carrying a light weight, striker fired, pistol, in the correct holster.
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Re: I really dislike striker-fired handguns....

#16 Post by OldWin » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:03 pm

I have no issue with striker fired pistols (I own 2 Glocks). I'm mostly a 1911 guy, but to dismiss the striker pistol as an effective fighting handgun is a mistake.
I don't find any of them any more "unsafe" than anything.
When you combine the sheer numbers of these pistols out there, with poor gun handling skills of many people (some LE included), it's a miracle there hasn't been more of these AD/ND incidents.
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#17 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:59 pm

jdad wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:14 am
... I have no problems carrying a light weight, striker fired, pistol, in the correct holster.
Good point, that...!

Added to the "certain activities NOT to do while wearing a firearm" that would include "playful wrestling", and I think that covers 99% of the issues.

(....even though I still have so much OCD that I go nuts if I can't SEE and CONTROL the hammer... :D )
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#18 Post by Bullard4075 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:26 am

All good arguments guys but I'm with doc on this one. All my important ( read that carry) guns have a hammer. Sometimes perceptions matter also.
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#19 Post by DocRock » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:40 am

I own one striker fired pistol, everything else has a visible hammer and is either a 1911 or a single action revolver. My M&P 2.0 40 has a better trigger than most striker fired pistols, but all things are relative. I have no intention of purchasing another striker fired pistol but I'm not violently opposed to them, as long they are chambered in something, anything, other than 9mm. Now 9mm Parabellum is something I really dislike.

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#20 Post by Ray » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:11 am

In theory, I kind of/sort of agree with you re. striker-fired self-loaders but am quite a hypocrite at the same time, owning dozens of them.....

a S & W shield 9mm is in my pocket as I type this.....and there are two kahrs and a springfield xds within reach.....

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#21 Post by coyote nose » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 am

One word: Colt!
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#22 Post by piller » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:50 am

5 in the cylinder and the hammer down on an empty chamber for safety?
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