Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com

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Me having a 30-30, has a hard time getting those numbers without having to seriously overload the ammo into obscure pressures. Dennis, have a look at using Hodgdon's LVR powder. Their suggested load of 36.5 grains with the 170 grain bullet gives me 2400 fps in my 24" barrel and should give you...

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Paco knows what he's talking about, just read his article first and you may be enlightened. Here's a few select paragraphs but read the whole article THEN comment. :wink: Good article, Ji. Thanks for pointing me there. I'm sure I had read it previously but it had been a while. Paco makes lots of go...

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Over 50,000? Not according to this :P Your link is for the 30/30 Ackley Improved, for which you are correct -- you can hit 2700 fps. My "north of 50K" figures are for the standard old 30/30, for which you are going to have some pretty hefty pressures by the time you get to the 2700 fps le...

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Quote: Paco Kelly also wrote about the 130 Speer: "The best bullet I have found so far for my 30-30s is the Speer 130 grain flat tip. 38.5 grains of H322 gives this bullet 2720 fps...with a 3 inch high point at 100 yards it is down only 12 inches at 300 yards...goodness are we still talking ab...

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Oooh Ouch! on the little pump. I imagine the lucky guy can double his money pretty quick on that one. But otherwise sounds like you did just fine. I'm going out this afternoon and try out a "new" 25 Rem pump (not a carbine) to see if she'll shoot the 117 RN. And will also see if my slow-tw...

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Bestlever loaded a 30wcf AI with 130gr pointy bullets and used the 336 as a two shooter. Seems like he was getting near 2600fps or more from it (I can't remember, but he was a true believer in hot loads) Yes, if he was getting 2600 fps with the Barnes bullet he was definitely well above SAAMI specs...

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PS...I think I'm going to look for an old Marlin 30/30 with a 24" barrel... Now you're showing really good taste! And along the lines of your original question -- hard to beat that 170 grain core-lokt. And with the new Hodgdon LVR powder you can get the 170 grain bullet up past the velocities ...

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My hat is off to the fellow who went to that much work and expense to get the data that he shared with us. And thanks much for bringing this table to our attention Oly! As a shooter and a reloader I was extremely interested in this and grateful to have this amount of data. That fellow dang near had ...

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Actually primers and ammo are cheaper than ever. It's our dollars that have lost their value as an exchange medium. We'd best buy those supplies now while folks are all still attributing some value to the paper we are packing.

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Hey Sixgun, that bee too cool to miss out on. I'm going to have to try that even if I don't have any nasty bees here. Maybe I can find a hornet nest to mess with. Thanks for the tutorial!

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this would tell us for curiosity sake if its bullet push in or inadequate neck tension that's the root cause of your problem. It was all in the lack of neck tension with Unique powder, Jason. If the bullets were getting pushed in he'd have ended up with high pressure problems from the reduced case ...

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I'd start with the Power Pistol at 10.5 grains, and then work up from there. I'm not an expert on that powder, but you might find what you're after with PP before upping the charge very much. Yeah, I second that. If you're going to want to watch for best accuracy you'll want to start on the low sid...

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I wonder if anyone here can give some load advice on using Alliant Power Pistol powder with 250 grain #2 alloy cast rnfp bullets. This is to be used solely in a Rossi model 92 rifle in 45 colt with a 16 inch barrel. Hey there, Doc. Glad to see you extending the life of this interesting thread, and ...

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Mike D. wrote:I'll probably start with at least 38 grs and work up from there. The NS barrel can probably easily take 45+ grs.

You are talking 3031 now and not RL-7 I hope?

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Some nice looking smoke coming out of that rifle there, Sixgun. Thanks for the fine report!

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4831 was one of the most popular surplus powders that Hodgden sold after WW2. Yeah, as a college kid, buddies and I got 25# kegs of the stuff for $0.50/lb. Used it for virtually everything . Some things we'd heat it up a bit with some h4227 in the bottom of the case to bring it up to speed... (I ma...

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Mike -- I don't have a 40-82 and have never played with one. But your question gave me an excuse to see what QuickLoad would say to the question of RL-7. QuickLoad shows RL-7 as only slightly slower than IMR 4198, and somewhat faster than 3031. I plugged in the 28/4198/260 grain load you mentioned a...

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You will save yourself some serious elbow grease by going to one of the foaming bore cleaners. I happily use either the "Wipe-Out" Brushless Bore Cleaner or the "Gunslick" Foaming Bore Cleaner. And am real happy they got invented!

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Thanks for the good thoughts, fellows. It'll be fun trying some loads in this and seeing what it likes. I have most of a box of those 87 grain Sierras (probably 1980's vintage) and a little Win 760. And I am going to give those 90 grain Sierras a try for a deer bullet. Seems this little rifle should...

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try a 9mm carbide sizer. Sixgun has a good idea here. But looking at my book I'm not sure 9mm dies will give enough extra squeeze. If the 9mms don't a 380 carbide die sure will (I just gave it a try and it fairly well overdoes it but would definitely give you some neck tension!) Just use the 357 di...

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Fine rifle and a fine story there, Carlsen. And the little rifle is d&t for a receiver sight should your eyeballs get to fuzzing up on you like they have on some of us old guys

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I have not used this LVR powder, is there load data for it or are you guys just experimenting? Joe, there is a little dab of data for the powder on the Hodgdon web site. A couple loads for the 30wcf, one for 35 Rem, one for 308 ME, and one for 25/35. I haven't looked lately, so there could be more ...

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OK Ben, using your figures and fudging in a bullet (QuickLoad doesn't have any .351 bullets listed) it looks like H4227 is your baby. You get close to top velocities and it appears to be impossible to get enough powder in the case to exceed the 43K pressure limit. Your 2400 is a really good powder b...

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Yeah, those 87 grainers from paperpatch's ad. The pointed bullet that will crash through the grizzly's jaw and blow his neck vertebrae down through his lungs to kill instantly . That's the kind of bullet I want for the mighty 250! Failing that, and suspecting those 100 grain CIL bullets will be awfu...

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I'm curious, did you try a selection of primers? No I didn't, Oly. I did all my trial loads with the CCI 200 and then when I'd decided on the 36.5 grains I tried the Federal 210 with virtually identical results for accuracy and about 15 fps more velocity (2420 for the CCI vs. 2435 for the Fed). Onc...

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Ben -- we need to know what bullet you are using and your overall length to put the question to QuickLoad. If you want best results you might also see what the water capacity is filled level full, or we would have to let QuickLoad use a generic guess.

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Thanks for the bullet advice, fellows. Before I made the post I'd looked at the stuff carried by the usual suspects (Midway, Grafs, Midsouth, Powder Valley...) and wasn't seeing all that much. I can't find a 100 grain R.N. made by anyone, and Nosler doesn't show a 90 grain partition (those were a co...

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My friend Larry decided to "thin the herd" this week. Knowing my weakness for the levers he let me know he was ready to part with his dad's old Savage. 1937 era model 99 in 250-3000. Got the old 14" twist; Larry tells me that he got occasional sideways bullets with 100 grain spitzers....

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Seems like accuracy came easier for you fellows than it did for me. I use the 170 grain Remington, and tried a series of loads. All were giving me large velocity variations until I got to 36.5 grains of the LVR and used the Lee factory crimp on it (one of the few loads that ever showed me a marked i...

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At least they were smart enough to touch her off from a distance. It's good they answered the question: just doesn't seem to be any question I was asking. Range sweep-up powder? Sheeesh!

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The 300 Savage in a '99
is just........mighty fine!

Maybe you should take your liberal friends out shooting. Consider it your patriotic duty to see that the rust gets knocked out of the barrels of those nice old shooters.

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Dang, Jeff. I wish I had a 219 Zipper so I could pass on loads. No such luck (though I do have an Improved Zipper single-shot). I looked at your Zipper in QuickLoads (where I would start getting ideas for trying new powders) and it shows your H322 as being a decent fit. QuickLoads shows 23 grains H3...

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I gather it is partly to do with the slow twist but also the rifling is shallow, and some reckon it is identical to Marlins microgroove. In that case would it be worth trying a HARD cast bullet a couple thou over the bore size and keeping the velocity down a bit, since this is the same thing recomm...

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I did get a good group with an old box of CCI 200 gr Blazer ammo I had lying around, but after that, nothing I loaded was hitting anywhere right....oh a few loads with 240 XTP's and Hs6, but nothing cast ever hit good. I'll have three clustered at 2 o'clock in the 7 ring and then three all over the...

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Mike D. wrote: Original Winchesters never fail to ignite anything. i've noticed that, myself. 8) I beg to differ, fellows. I mentioned in an earlier post that I'd had two "failures to ignite" in the .357 with ball powder (H110) using regular small pistol primers. I went to my notes (yes, ...

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JohndeFresno wrote:Nothin' to it.

Ah, yes. I shall report back when I have good results to share.

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Yeah, as Rimfire says, those new Alliant powders including their "Varmint" and also Hodgdon's LVR. Until then I've thought I'd use Hodgdon's H380 as a stand-in for the LVR. Any other thoughts on how we might deal with lack of specific powder data for powders we want to play with?

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Friend of mine has two of those B92s in 44 mag. One shoots just fine; the other is just like yours. In fact, some of the bullets tumble out of it. I have promised to work with it and see if I can figure "what the heck" but haven't done so yet. Your report reminded me of my months-old promi...

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1) Author did not have a small pistol magnum primer; so he used a standard small pistol primer for the .357 levergun load and N110. I also have had the standard small pistol primer fail to ignite ball (H110) powder in a 357 magnum. In my case this was in the Ruger SP101. Happened once and I dug the...

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JohndeFresno wrote:He outlines an experience that emphasized the danger of using small pistol magnum primers as a substitute for small rifle magnum igniters.

Yeah, the small pistol magnum is equivalent to the regular small rifle, not the small rifle magnum. (for CCI, anyway)

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Because of an inheritance I ended up with a little checking account at Chase. Ran out of checks a few months ago, went down there with the intent of closing and moving to local bank. Nice lady there told me they give free checking to vets. I said "but Chase is such a horrible bank I don't want ...

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An interesting story. Thanks for posting the link, ving-thorr.

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Also how did the 25-222 wildcat perform? I was thinking about something like that in a nice small carrying package. I would have to find the right donor rifle first. Works real fine, Ben. About 40 years ago a gunsmith in Winnemucca, NV put this on my little Sako action. 14" twist for shooting ...

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Have you ever tried Plastigage? Never even heard of it. Sounds interesting ... where do we learn more? As soon as i park, am gonna look at a few things. Todd If you do a little trial-and-error running them into the F.L. die, screwing it down a bit more until they will chamber OK, I'll bet you won't...

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Wow! Sounds like an amazing slice out of history. Not much gets me over the mountain to Portland, but that exhibit would. Maybe it'll get here one of these years. Thanks for the heads-up, DixieBoy.

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Typical semi-crappy Central Oregon Springtime weather here, so have been spending time playing around in the reloading room. A few days ago I loaded some 25 Remingtons to try a new bullet. I don't have 25 Remington dies, so my procedure is to use a 250 Savage sizing die to neck size the cases. The S...

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You can buy bullet sizers from Lee for less than 25 or 30 dollars in any size you want. Hmmm... that's interesting. I didn't know they would make them in sizes other than those cataloged. I might could go for one in about .269 to do a rework of 270 bullets for my old Arisakas. But for just a couple...

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2ndovc wrote:Got in some hiking and a bunch of shooting.

Oh, ho, ho! I can see you put in a long, hard day, Jason!

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I would rather trash the bullets than the threads in my press. Yeah, it looks like that should be a concern, Bob. But I've been using this old press with an occasional "plier-pull" (and a couple of times I did a bunch of them when pulling some military stuff) for over 40 years and there h...

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Please SHARE your experience with reloading You boys are not gonna' believe this! There must be some kind of virus after us poor old .25 shooters. Last night as I was describing the "plier pull" method of pulling bullets when you don't have a bullet puller handy I thought I should maybe g...

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