Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com

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Pitchy, where are you......

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BrentD, Are you shooting black powder in your 38-40? w30wcf Not yet, I'm embarrassed to say. But I will be. Awesome! I was shooting b.p. in my .44-40 at a NRA Cowboy Silhouette match a couple of years ago and after my first 5 rounds, a fellow who looked very concerned for my well being, came up to ...

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Mark, I have no experience using 4350 in the .30-30 except in capacity loads but if your goal is to try using it in 1,600 f.p.s. loads with a 200 gr bullet, then perhaps if 35 grs = 2,000 f.p.s. then (1600/2000 x 35 grs.) = 28 grs. That should put you close anyway. You may encounter some partially ...

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earlmck, By the late 1890's Balloon head cases were the solid head type and were known as the SHBP (Solid Head Button Pocket) type. Prior to that they were the folded head type and certainly weaker. When the WHV (Winchester High Velocity) cartridges were introduced in 1903 they were loaded in the SH...

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BrentD,
Are you shooting black powder in your 38-40?

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Griff, Welcome to the world of NRA Cowboy Silhouette! It certainly is a heap of fun. Actually, you don't need 1,200 f.p.s. in the .45 Colt for the pistol cartridge category. What one needs is a consistently accurate load and good sight settings and sight picture. After that, as the 6... said, it's i...

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earlmck, Thank you for the additional information. Previously, I had done some interpolation of .44 Mag pressures with similar loads. The cases were R-P which had been fired several times before with standard loads. They weigh about 15% less than Winchester and Starline brass and thus the case walls...

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Mark, I have no experience using 4350 in the .30-30 except in capacity loads but if your goal is to try using it in 1,600 f.p.s. loads with a 200 gr bullet, then perhaps if 35 grs = 2,000 f.p.s. then (1600/2000 x 35 grs.) = 28 grs. That should put you close anyway. You may encounter some partially b...

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457121, I was thinking the same thing. I am a big fan of Jim Corbett who was probably the most famous man eating tiger and leopard hunter who ever lived. Jim Corbett passed away in 1955. Here is the story of how Elmer acquired the famous 450/400 rifle that Jim used to send some man eaters to the hap...

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A couple of Marlins used in a steel chicken plinkfest not too long ago.

left - Marlin 39A .22 circa 1948
right - Marlin 1892 .32 circa 1906

What fun!

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Bill in Oregon wrote:Dusty, amigo, you have immaculate taste!

+1

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I would definitely not use Titegroup to try and achieve the early W.H.V. velocity (1,580 f.p.s.). A little too much and pressures will soar! Not good. Probably ok for close to 1,400 f.p.s. velocities though. Back then the factories used Sharpshooter or SR80 which have burning rates closer to 2400 wh...

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Evening Mark, I have not used the 200 gr Lee deep seated to cycle through a levergun but I have deep seated 3 other 200+ gr. bullets.... Lyman 311644 (202 in W.W.), Old Wsst 198 (205 in W.W), Lyman 311284 (220 gr. in W.W). The base of the bullets are supported by a capacity load of 4350 or H414 so c...

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I load Titegroup in 6.2 gr doses under a 200 gr cast bullet. Velocity runs around 1,150 f.p.s. and produces very good accuracy. That s the recommended max load from Hodgdon to meet SAMMI MAP for the .44-40. It is too fast burning to reach your 1,500 f.p.s. goal. 4227 would be a much better choice. 2...

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Mike, Wow, that's quite a bit of variance! Here's a 5 shot string in my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative rifle (26") 205 gr. Cast / 35 / H414 / WLR 2134 / 2130 / 2148 / 2133 /2125 Sounds like 5744 would be the way to go in your shorter 14" barrel. Is the bore ride portion of bullet a snug fit...

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Prayers said.

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Pistol Mike, Sorry I didn't see this sooner. As Sixgun indicated, with 200+ gr. bullets, I have used a capacity load of 4350 and also 35 grs. of H414 which is a ball powder that has a similar burning rate to 4350. I use the recipies in lever guns and they shoot very well. Thanks and no worries! :) ...

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Jack, I've heard of old timers years years ago that would use pulled 190 grain bullets from the .30-40 Krag to load in a .30 WCF. They claimed better accuracy. Do you think the heavier bullets shoot much better? Rusty, At longer distances (over 200 yards) the heavier cast bullets do shoot more accu...

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Unfortunately, .32 LC ammunition has not been produced since the 1970's. The .32 S&W is a cartridge that is larger in diameter since it uses a standard bullet whereas the .32 LC uses a heeled type bullet. There were 2 different LC cartridges.......(in addition to the shot cartridge) case length:...

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Pistol Mike, Sorry I didn't see this sooner. As Sixgun indicated, with 200+ gr. bullets, I have used a capacity load of 4350 and also 35 grs. of H414 which is a ball powder that has a similar burning rate to 4350. I use the recipies in lever guns and they shoot very well. "Ammoguide.com shows 9...

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Interestingly, according to early Marlin catalogs, their selling point was that for the same cost, one could shoot two .32 LC cartridges vs. one .32-20....... http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Marlin321905.jpg http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Marlin189232.jpg http://i116.pho...

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6....
Are you off your meds again??

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"Why did the 3rd bullet aimed at John Kennedy explode?" That statement from the review would make me and should make others who are familiar with ballistics a bit skeptical...actually, more than a bit skeptical. Apparently the author is not aware of the extremely high pressure produced in...

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As we know, eye witnesses can't always be reliable. The Zapruder film clearly show the portion of Kennedy's head departing toward the front, not the back. The expulsion of brain matter propelling him back in the seat. The only other remote possibility (and I say really remote...) is the secret servi...

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Dusty, That is a neat vintage, historic Winchester Rifle! Best wishes for a successful hunt! A close twin to your your '76 was on the cover of The Black Powder Cartridge News in 2003. Like yourself, the fellow used a bullet from an original Winchester mold over black powder. :D "Shot at 124 yar...

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Jim,
Nice to see that you had a wonderful journey. Neat pics!

Thank you for sharing.

Did you get a chance to visit PACO when you were stateside?

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Here we go again..... Believe what you want to but the bullets came from behind. Forensic evidence has proven that to be the case. Anyone who has harvested game knows that typically the bullet entrance wound is much smaller than the exit wound. Such was the case with President Kennedy. The bullet th...

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If the action is open just a little, try to disengage the bolt from the cartridge by lifting up the extractor ever so slighty while pushing down softly on the lever. I wonder if it is not the cartridge at all and the face of the hammer is bound against the bottom of the bolt (assuming the action is ...

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.45 Colt, You are most welcome. Best of luck to you in your search. Making smoke is lot's of fun! 44-40 - 40 grs. b.p. :D http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Leverguns/44-40bp.jpg If you don't cast the Big Lube bullets can be purchased from Whyte Leather Works He offers them for the .38-40...

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.45 Colt, I have had experience with the .44 200 gr. and 45 Colt 250 Big Lube bullets in my rifles and they work really well with b.p. :D Since I am a traditionalist of sorts, I do, however, in the .44-40, prefer the Accurate 43-215C which has the same nose profile as the original .44-40 bullet but ...

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Jack, Who in the heck wants to shoot 350 grain bullets at 1300+ out of a 6-7 lb rifle? It's a pistol cartridge rifle and in order to have pleasurable shooting, a 200-250 gr. bullet at 1000-1200 is needed. I shot some 300 gr. 45-90 Lymans, sized 454 and they grouped in about a foot at 50 yards but t...

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NEAT!

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"I do not see how there is a difference between the two. You say it isn't the twist rate, it is the rpm." Trey, Take for example a standard 12" twist .30 Caliber barrel. A 180 gr cast bullet shoots really well.....as long as the muzzle velocity is over 1,300 f.p.s. or so. At 1,100 f....

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"It really isn't the twist rate, as NKJ said - it's the revolutions per minute that matters, vs. the bullet length."

Bingo! We have a winner!

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I have a Marlin Cowboy in .45 Colt I purchased in 1997. It definitely has the 1/38" twist. It will shoot all of these heavier bullets really well..... http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Collector%20Cartridges/heavybullets.jpg The heavier 350 gr bullets need to be pushed over 1,300 f....

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Sorry to hear of your accuracy issues. I will say that I have a .44-40 Marlin with a 1 in 38" twist and it shoots 250 gr cast bullets (Lyman 429667 in w.w alloy) really well at 1,200 f.p.s......... all the way out to 300 meters. :D I would suggest removing the magazine & forearm and shootin...

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The Ram target at 100 is 6" wide so ideally a <3" rifle a that distance would be good.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VktJNNKm3B0

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Six......,
Great info as usual!

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In order to get started in pistol cartridge silhouette matches next year I have ordered a Rossi levergun in .38/.357 ..I reload but I have no experience trying for an accurate levergun load.. Bullet length is limited by what will feed through the action.. Is it possible to find a bullet that will c...

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Griff,
NICE! They do look purdy.....

Did you ever get a chance to try those black powder .45 Colt bullets that I sent you awhile back, made from a 45-260F Accurate mold?

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Another thought would be to use a paper shot carrier. A 3/8" dowel could be used as the mandrel.

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What shoots very well in my Marlin Cowboy .357, is the Lyman 357665 and 11/4759 which is pretty much a capacity load in .357 Magnum brass.
Other loads that do almost as well ....5.0 / Titegroup or 6.0 / 231.

Have fun!
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Awesome pics!

Thank you for sharing.

Not relevant to your travels but in looking at your pics I thought of this song by Jim Reeves...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgAvHo6vpe4

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Dusty,
Please keep us updated as your .38 W.C.F. journey continues......

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Not that I know of but someone with a lathe could gat some 7/16 or 1/2" dowel stock from a hardware store and make some of the wooden ones. Another option would be to get some of the Speer .38 Shot capsules and wrap tape around that portion that would be inside of the case neck up to .40" ...

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Well, well Mr. 44-40 historian......you got me on that one. No clue and to honest, I did not care to drag a horse sized creature 2 miles. Just being in the great outdoors was good enough for me. Hey....how did the jubilee go?????------6 Six, Yep, the great outdoors...amen to that! :D Jubilee went v...

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six, Thank you for sharing your adventure and neat pics......BUT where are the pics of the Elk? :D As it turns out you could have saved some money and stayed in PA where I saw these two during the same time you were frolicking around out west! :D http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Elk-Oct...

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Finally took the old 38wcf out to the range today. I tried the test loads with toilet paper under the bullet and over the 2ff Swiss bp. @ 50yd. these loads tumbled real bad. No surprise this old barrel is in bad shape. I tried the .060"poly wad under the 180gr. cast bullet and over the 2ff Swi...

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