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What Blaine said +1 That is too bad because if everyone thought that way there would be very little factual information that collectors could use to then make smart, rational decisions about which rifles to purchase. Between my work on the Model 61 and also my work on the Model 1892 rifles I have s...

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Thanks so much Shasta. I greatly appreciate it. I am almost up to 2700 rifles!

Michael

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Hello, It has been almost a year since I updated my work on this forum. I am still hard at it and have added 800 rifles in the pat 11 months. There is a link below to the Interim Results so far. and another link to a photo rich reference guide to what exactly I am looking for. It is posted on the Wi...

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Jerry,

That would be great and very appreciated. Please try to get as much info based on this reference material as possible for each rifle.
Feel free to pass on my email to the owners if they would like any specific questions answered.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355

Michael

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Thanks Jerry. I appreciate the help. Anybody else who happens to have a Model 1892 I would love to add it into my work. I will definitely answer any questions you might have about your rifle. http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355

Thanks
Michael

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Thanks for the pictures, I still have the first rifle I bought. My uncle sold me a Winchester 1892 32-20 24 inch rifle 61 years ago. At 15 years old I shot rabbits and grouse with it, and it is still my favorite rifle. Jerry, Can I get more information about your rifle to add it into my research su...

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Griff wrote: Michael, Every time I see that listing of calibers for the mdl 94... it always makes me wonder, what cartridge serial #1 was chambered for? Or 2... 3... etc. Is that just me? I have not seen the first page of the factory ledgers to be able to answer you question but I would put money o...

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Flint asked: first and last years that each caliber was in production Here are the first rifles for each caliber: 38-55 Rifle - serial number 24, 10-22-1894 38-55 Carbine - serial number 46, 3-36-1895 (by serial number order) 38-55 Carbine - serial number 471, 11-1-1894 (by date order) 32-40 Rifle ...

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OldWin wrote: I have more 92 carbines than rifles so I could use another. I would love to add your rifles into my research effort. The more data I can collect then eventually a more realistic understanding of these fine rifles will emerge. I currently own 37 Model 1892 of my own. You can read some ...

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Sixgun wrote: That thought inspired me to look in my Madis book and low and behold, out of 1 million 1892's, only 1,403 were takedowns. I am afraid that the Madis book is far from correct on the supposed rarity of Model 1892 configurations. I have been conducting a research survey of the Model 1892...

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Nice rifles Dusty.

Did you get some of that rain last Thursday? 2 inches in Giddings!! A nice mid summer drink for the place.
I put one sow to sleep with my thermal sighted rife on Saturday. I let the coyotes eat it so they would be
less tempted to chase fawns.

Michael

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Mescalero wrote: My .22 rimfire has that Kings Improvement thing on the barrel. The "thing" is called the barrel address stamp. ALL Model 1873's have this notation as part of the barrel address. This is referring to the inventor of the side loading gate on the right side of the receiver w...

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Hello, The barrel and magazine have both been cut down from the original length which was most likely 24 inches. I can barely make out the magazine retaining band and it should be positioned as in the attached photos and not found adjacent to the muzzle as on your rifle. Additionally the butt stock ...

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Hello Dave,

The condition and configuration will dictate what the rifle might be worth. If you can take some good detail photos
showing the condition of the rifle I will be happy to help you. Send me a private message for my email when you are ready.

Michael

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Hello,

It is always difficult to pin a possible value on something I can't see. Assuming that the bluing is original
and that there are no sling attachments holes in the stock the price is reasonable.

Michael

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Here's some of his you may have missed. http://gunauction.com/buy/12598155/guns-for-sale-curios-relics/curios-relics-rifles/winchester-.22-s-l-lr-pump.grooved-receiver.mfd-1956-c-and-r http://gunauction.com/buy/12639525/guns-for-sale-curios-relics/curios-relics-rifles/winchester-.22-s-l-lr-pump.gro...

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jdad wrote:I have a 1958 "grooved top" being listed by Jack the Dog, in a few weeks. Keep a watch and you can get your info.

I will do that for sure. Thanks for the heads up. He usually lists on Auction Arms if I recall. And does a great job representing the rifles.

Thanks
Michael

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Akray, You should probably save you money. What caliber is the rifle? From the sounds of it there is less than $250 worth of parts. Did you happen to get the full serial number of the rifle? I would like to add the info into my research survey. If you come across any others I will always be glad to ...

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Hello all, I have been at this Model 61 survey for just over a year now and have catalogued exactly 1900 rifles as of this afternoon. Thanks to the many collectors and shooter who have contacted me with information regarding their rifles. I did a bit of work and posted some interim results on the Ri...

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My wife and I really enjoy winter and especially this one since it is colder and more snow than usual. Looks like our lane is drifted in this evening and we are expecting more snow tonight. I'll blow it out in the morning. When we retire, we want to move further north where we can be more assured o...

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Hello, It has been almost 4 years since I started this research effort to identify what and when the various changes were made during the production span of the Model 1892 rifles. Right now I have 5,811 rifles catalogued. I still want another 4,000 or so. Anyone can contact me at my email 2bitrifles...

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Hello, There are always some on Gunbroker.com If the rifle is a late magnum (SN > 310600 approximately) the firing pin is different. Could I please get a bit of info on your rifle so that I can add it into my research survey? Looking for the SN, barrel shape, what size the chamber is( short only, LR...

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Hello Old Win, I am conducting a research survey of the Model 1892 rifles and would like to add every one of them I can into my work. You can read more about it at these forum links. If you are interested could you please send me some photos of the rifle and all of the stamped writing on the gun and...

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Hello Jackofalltrades, You were correct that there is no simple answer to your question. But I will add a few pointers. #1 Pre 1964 Manufacturing methods changed in that year and resulted in lower condition guns. #2 Collect what you are interested in. Start out with one Model and learn as you go. Th...

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Hello,

You might want to look at the photos I posted on page 2 in this old thread.
The Rossi rifle is called a Model 1892 but in fact uses a Model 1894 shaped receiver.
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=38815

Michael

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Hello, I have been busy traveling and fly fishing lately. But I am still working on my research survey. If you will send me some photos of the markings on the rifle along with the serial number I should be able to help you. With more than 30 Model 1892's I guess you could call me a collector! http:/...

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Hello Michaux,

If you buy a Model 94 with a serial number of less than 2,700,000 you will have a pre-1964 vintage gun. 1963 rifles are the same as those manufactured earlier.

Michael

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Hello, The same discrepancy between serialization dates and the "Madis Dates" exist for the Model 1892 rifles. If you have a Model 1892 and would like the 'correct' serialization date you can contact me. This is part of my research survey for this model rifle. http://www.levergunscommunity...

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Very nice friend you have there Kirk.
I will have to start evaluating who I hang around more seriously!

Michael

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jphi13, I think the very shallow proof stamps are just a result of the normal wear with that part of the gun which is the normal carry point. The slight unevenness of the upper line on the barrel address is fairly common. Based on all the rifles I have looked at I would still say yours has not been ...

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Hello GA, The condition is far below what most serious collectors are looking for. The 38-55 caliber is definitely sought after. The Lyman front sight is a small plus also. The 1897 DOM makes it a bonafide antique. The gun looks all original but I do think that the wood was lightly sanded a long tim...

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JPhi, This is a fun project and only possible with the help of collectors from around the world. There were tens of thousands of Model 1892 rifles which were exported out of the US and it is great to be able to get a sample of some of them. If your shooting club has a website please let me know and ...

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30 WCF wrote:

i stand, actually i "sit" in awe, this has been a GREAT thread...learned allot...

Oh heck just don't sit there. Grab a cold beer and lets talk about these rifles. The more you talk
and look the more you learn. Glad you enjoyed the post.

Michael

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Hello, Sorry for the delay. I was busy all day and just got back home. Not every gun can be a collectors gem. We all collect for different reasons, likes, dislikes, checkbook size, and what ever makes us happy. One guys gem may not turn another guys head but who cares. As long as you enjoy the hunt ...

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Hello, The Cody letter only shows that a rifle is or isn't in the original "as built" configuration. It still could be totally fake, of questionable condition or made up of parts of several guns that might not be quite correct in the details for the time period. For example, there are 3 di...

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jph13, Your rifle is a 1904 vintage sporting rifle. The wood has been sanded and refinished. Notice how you can see the edge of the metal along the side of the upper tang. The wood should actually be just a little bit above the metal surface. Besides that the rifle is all correct for it's SN range. ...

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jph13,

First look: It is all correct. I will look closer later today.

I edited the first reply above with a few new comments on the barrel address placement and some photos.
You might also get a kick out of reading about the survey in my second post.

GREAT job on the photos!!!

Thanks
Michael

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jph13 wrote: Here you cannot find an original pre-64 at less than €1000.00 and some want to sell a real mess for a lot more. that's because there were so few imported. That is exactly why you will see what you are seeing. The ability to turn junk into euros will make people cheat others to make a d...

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Hello, I will add a few thing and clarify a few statements made so far. The first rifle is well within the range for which the original production ledgers exist for the Model 1894 and are housed in the Cody Firearms Museum. With the extent of the alteration and re-barrel of this gun you never know w...

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Hello to all, Easy to use reference guide for the survey. I finally found several hours to spend and put together an "on line assistant" to help people delineate the characteristics of their 1892's and then send me information without the need to post or send me photos of the rifles. Over ...

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AJMD429 wrote: The really big-loop leverguns I've handled seemed like they'd be darn hard to shoot and operate quickly or smoothly, to be honest. I collect and research Winchester 1892's and have over 30 of them. I absolutely agree with your comment. The large loop looks goofy and is of no advantag...

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Ah yes. The wonderful news people who are always soooooo smart and know it alls get pranked BIG time!

So funny.
Thanks
Michael

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Hello, I will second the motion that Bob Renneberg's book is the best text for the numerous variations within the time period you are speaking of. You also might contact Bert Hartman on Gunbroker.com "Ask The Experts" forum. He is by far the most knowledgeable person on this subject at thi...

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Hello Dan, I will be glad to help you. I am a serious 1892 collector and own 28 of them right now. I also am conducting a research survey on this model line and have looked at, and cataloged over 5000 individual rifles. As others have mentioned I will need to see some detail photos of the rifle and ...

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Hello to all, I have not been in this forum for a few weeks and enjoyed reading the post regarding Shasta's sporting rifle. He did contact me via email and I was glad to help him understand the condition and history of his rifle. I have also been contacted by 3leggedturtle via another forum. I am gl...

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This survey is turning into an expensive project!!! I was just minding my own business trying to harmlessly collect data when these three rifles came up for auction. I did not have a round barrel short variation in my collection, nor a shot only counterbore rifle. Well now I do. In fact two counterb...

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Sixgun wrote:

and then came the $2,800 offer.

Yeah, things like that tend to get your attention!!

Michael

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Number 16!!!??? That would have been a nice gun to have around.
That is the lowest number for the survey right now. The next is 27
then 112.

Very cool.
Thanks

twobit

Nice job with the photo!

Michael

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