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Ok, I have been experimenting around with the 33 WCF round for about 10 years now and have accumulated a lot of info as I dug into shooting and reloading this round. There have been several threads and questions on this forum about reloading the cartridge I hope no one minds if I dig into my noteboo...

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gamekeeper wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:43 am On the subject of Dixie Gun Works, their catalogue would be one of "must have books" if I was ever marooned on a desert island, full of interesting stuff.

If it is Gilligans Island I can think of a couple of other things that would hold my interest!

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New Colt King Cobra 3" in .357. Its built on their D frame size but is 6 shot, not 5. Hold one at the gun store and see what you think.

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Great post, Love these old bikes. And just now an American from Durango Colorado won a stage at the Tour of France!

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Yep...I love the round and have experimented a lot with it. Its my favorite smokeless rifle round. Testing 5 or 6 different case headstamps, I find this cartridge is very sensitive to which case is used, so max loads in mine were developed using one make/style case, then those cases were set aside, ...

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This entire thread is so illuminating!

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My only concern is photo #2. The buttplate looks too proud to the wood....like the wood may be sanded there. Too hard to tell from that one photo though. The photo that shows the wood/tang fit certainly looks nice, and the finish itself appears like a mid 50s factory finish.

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Pitchy, What material did you use for the window? The original material was a pressed mylar, I think. One of mine has a torn window, I would not mind replacing it and the other is very cloudy. We always called it isinglass on the old Moore Stoves, which is a type of mica (or IS mica) Isinglass is n...

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Ok, one other thing I left out in case anyone is going to try to get a date of manufacture of their particular Winchester box: Winchester went from a two piece box, like the one illustrated, to a one piece box (with the slide out cardboard tray), in the late 1920s. In the case of 38-40 it was 1927/2...

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OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????

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JimT, if I may sir, can I date your.......cartridge box? :lol: First thing I noticed was the word ''center fire". Winchester used "central fire" on cartridge boxes until around the mid 1890s, so a clue that your box is after that time frame. It also does not specify Black Powder or Sm...

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Nope. Not real. Been an amateur astronomer since April of 1974 (got into guns in November of 1974 so my astronomy hobby is older!). Outside observing almost every clear night. I've seen so much. Never have seen a UFO and for me seeing is believing. All I have personally been told about by friends/co...

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Actually this is pretty decent condition and probably is shootable if the cylinder and barrel are sound. Replaced triggerguard screw and some condition issues but not bad. However, the mismatched cylinder is a killer. The seller says its an easy mistake for an assembler to make, perhaps, but wheneve...

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Wishing you a fast and pain free recovery. When I saw the title of this post I thought you meant "If you use a Walker REVOLVER"!!!

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Hmmm...the Volcanic anyone?

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Thank you....guess I am out of touch, it happened 8 years ago!

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Just noticed the Hornady .348 cal 200 GN flat point for the fantastic Winchester 71 is discontinued. Not out of stock , but discontinued. When? Is their flex tip that much better?? Is that what did it?

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Well I feel stupid! Forgot all about the change in hammer pivot pin vs screw as well as the lower tang screw locations between the 2nd and 3rd model! Thanks for the education and the pictures. Those rifles you have are nice, I never owned a first model, and your 3rd model looks in better shape than ...

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Wow! First welcome to the forum. I have rebuilt, from a bare frame, about 4 1873 Winchesters (and 2 1886, 2 1876 Winchesters, and 4 or 5 1890 pump 22 winchesters). Of those, I sent 2 frames (an 1886 and an 1890) to Turnbull for case coloring. Could not be happier with those guns. I'm prefacing my co...

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[/quote] I'm going out of my head soooooo I may be wrong...but I've never seen a case colored 33 as all were lightweights or extra lightweights and all of those guns were blued with nickel steel barrels......one thing for sure I'd bet my finest Colt on and that there never was a full octagoned 33......

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Here is the only example I saved on my computer. Spiffy. Thank you. I recall reading modern ammo might be loaded with special blends. On that card the powders were all standard commercial offerings. Yes, but look how the charge of Hi-Vel#3 was reduced over the years, and Winchester has a 'blend' nu...

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... this code matching what the card they kept on file said the load was. Your opening post was clear. My comments were directed to those who were not aware of the “original“ factory levels. I’ve never seen a Winchester factory card and am curious to see one of yours. Here is the only example I sav...

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If your getting 1.2 inch grouping at 100 yards, I would stick with that for sure! That dam fine shooting for a old rifle. What year was your 1886 manufactured? I think the 33wcf was the last cartridge to come out for the 86. Smokeless makes it very desirable to me. Oh yes I am QUITE happy with it! ...

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Thanks. I have that book, Phil Sharpe I believe. The powder I pull from original loads looks like 3031 but of course that is just a subjective observation on my part. The powder that preceded 3031 was DuPont # 17 or # 17 1/2. I have a can of # 17 1/2 but the "1/2" signifies tin added to th...

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With Remington all I have looked at have used a disc type powder that looks like either Sharpshooter or Lightning. All of the Winchesters I have examined have used an IMR type stick powder, with weights as low as 38 GN to as high as 48 GN... While later loads were 200 gr at 2200 fps, the early load...

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It's a tough caliber to find bullets for, Hornady stopped making the making the FP 200 gr bullet years ago. Thanks to the gentleman on this forum for info provided on the 86 and the 33wcf caliber. Thanks to Six I have some rounds to shoot. Before I found enough of the Hornady 200GN FP I used to buy...

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M. M. Wright wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:13 pm Did Turnbull do your Case Colors? Beautiful 86 sir.

Yes they did the case colors. Thank you...it is a fantastic rifle.

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For about the last 10 years I've been monkeying around with an 1886 Winchester in 33 WCF that I rebuilt. Besides the usual load development (using the only bullet available, a 200GN Hornady JFP) I have also been testing factory loads that I pick up at gun shows. Since the rounds are at least 50 year...

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I was under the impression that a ‘22 Long’ was simply the same ballistics as a ‘22 Short’ only in a longer case, and at a 22 ‘Long Rifle’ was higher velocity. Is that correct? No, you idiot; you are so stupid ...!!! :roll: :roll: Here’s the real deal: https://www.chuckhawks.com/22_rimfire_cartridg...

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Yes, the snap/clip thing came a bit later than the 1866 sling. All 1866 rifles I have seen with what appears to be original sling swivels have complete swivels, and not just the eye hook.

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I miss the 22 Longs! In my Remington 512X the CCI Longs were deadly accurate for a 22: 5 shots under 3/4" at 50 yards average group size. Amazingly, the Remington branded 22 Longs made the rifle look like a shotgun! Groups averaged close to 5 inches. Never could figure out why. Moot point now. ...

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I see lots of 1866 Winchesters with the sling loops on them, but never a sling. No doubt the original leather has rotted away from most of them, but any idea what the originals looked like? I would like to recreate one for my 1866 rifle.

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gamekeeper wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:42 am I would add that older people were educated while youger people are indoctrinated.

AMEN!

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I wish I could FIND a few 44 Henry rounds to try out in my 66. Sure wish someone would make a batch.

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A grand for an early 73 in 44 caliber in the condition that looks to be in is a STEAL!! I'm in the process of downsizing my stuff but if that was here in a nearby gun shop I would certainly buy it.

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Oh yes I have used oven cleaner on gunstocks. Not anymore. It works great on some walnut stocks, then for no apparent reason it will horrendously stain a different walnut stock. I have had a terrible gray color on one of them that required MUCH sanding to remove, and another turned a gray-green. No ...

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<t>Think this through. A knock on your door. The police with dogs. "Did you turn in ALL of your guns?". "Did you hide or bury any banned firearms?" Now are you REALLY going to lie to them? Some no doubt will, but most will tell the truth. The way to stop this of course is to elect Trump. I dont thin...

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Well, I used to hate it too, but then I realized the less interaction with millennials, the better. Now I PURPOSELY look for the self scan lines. I always pay cash. And ZERO interaction with that self important entitled generation.

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A chain type gun store (3 or 4 of them in this corner of Ohio) has a clerk who is either an ex-cop or still a cop.....he is quite adamant that the 'gun show loophole' should be closed. He also is sure 22 WRF ammo cannot be fired in 22 Mag. guns. Oh well.

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First my beloved colt forum changed so bad I almost never visit it. Oh well I consoled myself, I'll simply spend more time on my beloved lever gun forum. Now this monstrosity. Sigh......

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I started cutting my own hair back around 2005, which is, coincidentally (?) about the same time I stopped caring what I looked like!!

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In my 46 years of gun collecting I have seen people harder on Colt than any other brand. "Because they cost more" is often cited as to why, yet its still not an excuse for me. Ive seen gun owners IGNORE frame/triggerguard mismatch on Ruger Single Actions, that were misaligned by almost 0.0...

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One word: Colt!

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Wish they would make them in 44 Henry Rimfire...and make a bunch of low pressure ammo to go with it.

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I really don't care what anybody believes but I am interested in a,very high quality 2x 5" magnifying glass for looking at xrays. Your advice? I think for that application, not a demanding optical test, any reader that size that you pick up at a bookstore (or maybe an office supply store?) wou...

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Should we believe the military and professional pilots who say they have seen them? No. This is like thinking all cops know guns. Its a fallacy. Some certainly do, but not most. For example, pilots have ROUTINELY misidentified Venus as UFOs for decades. Pilots do not necessarily know the sky. My ma...

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Ok vance, no hard feelings, it wasn't meant that way. Its just I get the anti Colt rant from a lot of people that look the other way with Ruger and Smith. Kind of like they are held to a different standard, which is something I dont get. And you are right...I DID assume you owned Smiths or Rugers po...

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Colt lost me the FIRST time they decided civilians weren't worthy of owning certain firearms. My only 2 Colts are as old as I am, SAA. Then I assume you do not own any Rugers...Sturm Ruger and Co was one of the fiercest pushers of the GCA 1968 act. And Smith and Wesson caved in to Bill Clinton in t...

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Colt lost me the FIRST time they decided civilians weren't worthy of owning certain firearms. My only 2 Colts are as old as I am, SAA. Then I assume you do not own any Rugers...Sturm Ruger and Co was one of the fiercest pushers of the GCA 1968 act. And Smith and Wesson caved in to Bill Clinton in t...

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Thank you all!!!

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