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Mike Hunter

May want to try Ray Phillips, owner of NGraver. Ray is a good friend and has been making my stamps for years.

Mike Hunter

Mike Mike I've seen a few original 50 EX 86’s, even own one or two, and converted a bunch. There are several areas that need modification: the loading gate both front and back, the CTG guides, the carrier, the S-Hook, and sometimes the frame (two possibly three areas), and occasionally the mag tube....

Mike Hunter

Black max is some strong tough stuff; I use it on assemblies that I don’t plan to take apart. Couple of years ago I had an old SXS double that came in; the owner didn’t want it shootable, but presentable. The bottom rib was loose in a couple of spots, one of those, it wasn’t cost effective to remove...

Mike Hunter

For all you old folks that still use JB Weld and standard loctite, you need to try loctite's Black Max, its expensive but a little drop will do ya.

Mike Hunter

I would post the question on Doublegun forum

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Post it on the Classic & Custom Single Barreled Sporting Rifles sub forum, some very knowledgeable folks there.

Mike

Mike Hunter

Hummm...18E, got out went to college came back in as an officer 18A, then 51

Mike Hunter

Mike D.

Send me an E-mail/PM with the SN, I'll give John M a call, sounds like a 1 of 1 ..not many 32 in bbls out there, esp with swiss.

As to apprisal: We can probally make that happen, littl to no cost, again PM or e-mail me.

Mike Hunter

Mike Hunter

Since I generally deal with pre-1900 Winchesters, I don't know about Rossi's, Steve Young will know

Mike

Mike Hunter

Rotary Dovetail On a Winchester Mag Ring slot; the mag ring is twisted into place. There is about a 40 thous undercut on either side of the shoulder that the lips of the mag ring base rotate into. To do this you can use a CNC mill with the correct program, or a rotary table on your milling machine o...

Mike Hunter

As stated earlier, if it’s a rotary dovetail like the ones used on original Winchesters, you’re not going to do it by hand. If it’s a straight dovetail, yes you can do it by hand…but it’s best to do it with machine. Many of those cuts the depth of cut needs to be fairly specific; on Winchesters it’s...

Mike Hunter

Looks like we have all kinds of talent coming out of the wood work: Gun Designer and leather smith, a professional wood refinisher, “Gunmaker” specializing in double rifles/shotguns, gunsmith with years of practical work, and a gentleman with a stock duplicator. I think it would be great if some of ...

Mike Hunter

Thanks Buck

Not sure what I’m looking for either, just thinking with all the members here, there might be some serious talent lurking

Mike Hunter

Just curious if there are any “professional” ..or Semi- Professional Smiths on this site, and their specialties

Mike

Mike Hunter

I’ve done a couple, one was a two barrel set that I did for myself. Not all that hard; I would say that a lathe is a must have tool for this project though. A lathe, milling machine and band saw would be real plusses. Not crazy about the little button to retain the mag tube. One of these days …when ...

Mike Hunter

Well enough has been said about the engraving, pretty bad. If you would like to see very nice engraving, take a look at Ken Hurst’s or Joe Rundell’s work, that might give you an idea of what good engraving looks like. As to the pre engraving polish work, I suspect the marlin was probably not in bad ...

Mike Hunter

Mike

if 86 parts will work, i might have some laying around, used but useable, don't have any ejectors though

Mike

Mike Hunter

Colt changed the lock-up on their later revolvers. The very early Troopers and Pythons had a "two hand" locking mechinism, Basically a hand with two steps on it, one to turn the cylinder, the other to hold the cylinder once the bolt engages. Colt changed this on their later revolvers, most...

Mike Hunter

Looks ledgit, lack of factory letter always opens the door for more ???
Think there were more than 13-14 made... best thing to do is look for the engravers sig or stamp.

Mike Hunter

Mike Hunter

Another option would be to find a shot out Lightweight 86 or 71 barrel, have it rebored & rechambered to 45-70... thus preserving the original bbl

Mike Hunter

Mike Hunter

Beat up to the punch Mike! :wink: :lol: http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17888 It was a good article. Looking forward to seeing write-ups on your work there as well! :D Lefty Dude - I didn't realize those were yours. Excellent!!! 8) Ysabel So you did, guess I need to pay mo...

Mike Hunter

Our very own Nate Kiowa Jones has been written up in an article in Guns of the Old West (Summer issue)

Need to check it out

Mike

Mike Hunter

Something else to consider; contact Midway, Cabellas, Brownells etc. Tell them to stop carrying H S Precision's stuff.

Mike

Mike Hunter

Then again…. Which process did they use for tanning the leather? Un-tanned leather is known as Buckskin, basically dehaired, & dried animal skin, not very durable. Leather is Buckskin that has been tanned; older processes of tanning involved the use of dung, urine, animal brains, cedar oil, alum...

Mike Hunter

Thanks for the reply; as most of you know I do CCH here in the shop, and always have an interest in some obscure information on how other companies did it. As far as old shoes; yes , the use of old shoes, saddles, leather products has been mentioned quite often for case hardening., but generally for...

Mike Hunter

Old Sh

Your Comment: "Husqvarna got some greenish teint in the charcoal case hardening by adding old military boots to the charcoal."

do you know this for a fact??

Mike

Mike Hunter

As noted earlier the adjusting screws are there to take up the slack from repeated disassembly, not from firing. So what are you hunting that a standard velocity 45-70 will not drop? It always irritates me when folks want to put “hot loads” in their guns… nor no other reason than a bigger fireball. ...

Mike Hunter

1886, well I’m glad you like it… or at least I hope you do :) Since I don’t do a whole lot of work on the repo 1886’s, it was somewhat of a learning experience for me. Couple of things I will share with the forum: Barrel threads are epoxied in , took me about an hour of trying to unscrew the barrel ...

Mike Hunter

I just want to see how he regulated the barrels

Mike

Mike Hunter

Mike D…. Like you were really going to buy them… Quit your whining; and change California’s dumb laws.. you have the power.
Heck If I were seriously considering that sent, I’d pay the $500 and fly out there to inspect personally. Then it really doesn’t matter what state or country you’re from.

Mike

Mike Hunter

Mitch

Sent you a PM a couple of days ago

Mike

Mike Hunter

Now if the police had an 1886 carbine in 45-90 or 50 ex instead of that little ole mouse gun... 1st shot center of mass wold have put the bad guy on his butt wondering about the truck that hit him. second shot... lights out for good

Mike Hunter

Mike, are ya still doing this kinda stuff? Seems that you'd have some interest Yes & no... I've been known to make a second bbl set for TD rifles, so folks with collectable rifles can have a 2 bbl set. That gets a bit pricey, If I were to convert standard levers to TD type, I would want to do i...

Mike Hunter

The TD conversion is fairly simple, think the first one I did was about 20 years ago, with simple hand tools, borrowed my buddy’s drill press and lathe. Later I made a 2 barrel set (For grins & giggles) , carbine & rifle. I believe on the early one I pinned the forend to the td lug with a br...

Mike Hunter

Reassembly is easy…. Rubber band the lever, carrier & S hook together, assemble to the bolt with bolt about 2/3 out, slide the whole mess into place, cut the rubber band thru the loading gate base port, pick out the pieces. I can completely reassemble an 86 in under 30 min

Mike

Mike Hunter

I picked up a Colt Ultimate Stainless Python about 15 years ago, my wife fired it once; looked at me with a twinkle in her eye and clearly made it know that the Python was hers. The workmanship is an example of the best that Colt produced. The action feels like a Swiss watch, the two hand locking sy...

Mike Hunter

Leverguns is a good forum, and I’m happy to support a worthy cause. Griff ; No problem doing 94 frames as long as they are made out of steel and not Winchester's mystery metal. The only stuff that I won't do are parts made out of Med -High carbon steels such as frames made out of 4140. I also don’t ...

Mike Hunter

Little OT. Need some help selection some scope rings for my M1A Scout. Here are my requirements: Quick detectable, Lever preferred Return to Zero Fits Picatinnay rail 1 inch scope. I’ve been looking at ARMS brand, but they only make them for 30 mm scopes. Any thoughts/suggestions will be greatly app...

Mike Hunter

Well Don Grove has one just like it, with a better looking box for $8900 So if anybody is really interested buy Don's and send me a 10% finder's fee As to the barrel, who knows…. I recently talk to a guy with an 86, the caliber (barrel) had been changed three times before it left the factory…crazy t...

Mike Hunter

I suspect it was a parts clean up rifle, built after Winchester discontinued the 92 line. They sold a lot of stuff at nearly scrap value. I’ve got a brand new 86 frame that was never assembled. Even so, how many 92 rifles have you seen still with the box? Not a whole lot of them out there and for so...

Mike Hunter

Ok, obviously I’m missing something here, why is it suspected ob being rebarreled? Is there a factory work order on it?

Even if it was rebarreled at the factory, is that an issue?

Help me out?

Mike

Mike Hunter

Suspect?

I looked at the pics... looks like a nice 92

Has this rifle been the topic of conversation before? What makes it suspect?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Hunter

Right now they are just paper weights

Think I may anneal one then re CCH it just to see how it works out

Mike

Mike Hunter

On the early 1873s, 1876s, and 1886s , Winchester used a Magazine plug with a lip, the lip rotated into a slit on the underside of the barrel. The slit in the bbl was about .065-.070 deep…… if I remember correctly, about .010 wider than the lip on the plug, with radius same as the mag plug. I do it ...

Mike Hunter

Ok now I get it; I’m fairly familiar with the British “Bush Guns” , I’ve had a few here in the shop. Many of the Mods were actually done in the UK or British territories.

Hummmm.. might be an interesting project, Heck I even have the british proof stamps

Mike

Mike Hunter

A reasonable fix for the mag tube walking would be to solve it the same as Winchester did. Mag plug with a lip that fits into the barrel.

Mike

Mike Hunter

Hobie, What are “Cat Rifles” Bill Yes just clean up the lines, sharpen the edges. I was going to do what you were planning, anneal the frame, and clean up the edges on the surface grinder, possibly remark, then re CCH them. That’s all out the window now that I know they are 4140 (I can’t re-CCH them...

Mike Hunter

Thanks for informing us as to the steel used in the Chaparral 1876s. Friend of mine bought several of Chaparral‘s “rejects” , as a result I’ve ended up with a couple of the Chaparral 76 frames. I was planning on truing up the frames and Color Case Hardening them, now that I know their made out of 41...

Mike Hunter

My first question is How do you know that the frame is 4140 series steel? Did you ask the importer and or Manufacturer? Off the top of my head a file hardness made out of 1095 is around Rockwell 62-3, generally 4140 can be hardened to around Rockwell 56 or so. A file should still cut hardened 4140 s...

Mike Hunter

Looks like the toe is busted off, look about an inch higher on the stock, looks like another crack. Nice piece of wood though, I agree with Kirk D. when he has the stock repaired, he can have the stock restained at the same time. it would also look good with CCH hammer & lever...but thats just o...

Mike Hunter

In cases like that, flat rate shipping charges really don’t bother me. Yes it cost 41 cents to mail your parts, how much does the company pay that person per hour? Or did they take a production person off the line to go find your parts package them up and mail them. Remember they are a manufacturing...

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