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Pat C wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:37 am Im wondering if he meant takedown rifles combined with other special order features?

That I don't know. My copy of his book is 1500 miles away right now and I won't get to it for a bit over a month. I also just edited my last reply that you might want to see.

Michael

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This rifle is the bones of an original short rifle. Very very rare. Takedown in itself only 1500-1600 made. 25-20 even rarer. Hello, I am not certain where you came up with the supposed number of Model 1892 takedown rifles were manufactured. I have been working on a research survey of the Model 189...

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This rifle is the bones of an original short rifle. Very very rare. Takedown in itself only 1500-1600 made. 25-20 even rarer. Hello, I am not certain where you came up with the supposed number of Model 1892 takedown rifles were manufactured. I have been working on a research survey of the Model 189...

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Had the old 1892 out today for wipe down , really looked hard at tge forging lines , you can see now after nearly three decades of no actual use just yearly wipedown the charcoal bluing is starting to flake along these lines just like the originals did. Kind of puts a timeliness on this occurance. ...

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Thanks for the info, Jay and Two bit! The ser.# 95663 You guys are great! Johnny Johnny, I am always happy to help with regard to Model 1892 rifles. I own 40 of them and have looked at more than 19,400 individual rifles for my survey! I ma working on a reference website to synthesize the data I hav...

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Today I picked up a Winchester model 1892. Ser.#9566X. As far as I can tell it's manufactured in 1894 or 1895. It's been reblued some years ago, it's in 38-40 Caliber. Rifling appears to be in very good shape after a good cleaning! No pitting with very good lands and grooves! It has the 24-inch bar...

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Good morning,

The flat band variation of the Model 94 carbines began during 1946 in the SN 137555 range and was continued until late 1948 approximately in the SN 1545430 range. By the end of 1948 production all carbines had the rounded or milled forward barrel bands.

Michael

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Seve, Can you comment on how the muzzle end of the barrel was altered on these rifles? Michael Well, it would mostly be a SWAG but they did set the mag tube back deeper into the receiver to comp for the shorter acp round. So, the barrel band had to move back as well. The guessing part is because th...

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Seve,

Can you comment on how the muzzle end of the barrel was altered on these rifles?

Michael

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I had one of these guns here for repair. I have some pictures, but I need to re-size. Do you have a picture of the action inside? If it was converted to 4acp the 44-40 barrel won't work. You would also need the internal parts too. About the 45LC markings. That is not 45long colt. That 45LC down the...

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Hello, You are correct. Based on the serial number the the rifle was manufactured during 1950. There is none of the original bluing left on the receiver and the wood has been sanded and refinished. Due to these alterations the rifle has little value in the collecting community and as a shooter you m...

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Over at the WACA forum: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/w ... d/#p106932

Michael

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Anyone that has an original Winchester 92 carbine with ramp front sight post please post pictures in this thread or send them to me. Looking for markings Rear sight location from receiver face Long or short wood forends Type of buttplate ,carbine or model 55 serrated Hello Pat, I have seen more tha...

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Hello Craig, The 44 WCF and 38 WCF saddle ring carbines have larger diameter magazines than those used on the 32 WCF and 25-20 WCF rifles. As mentioned the larger magazines are held in place by barrel bands which encompass the barrel and magazine while the smaller caliber configuration uses a single...

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3 inches or less at 100 yards with an old levergun. That is plenty good for deer. I would have to get a lot closer for squirrel. When do you plan on killing a deer with it? That's hard to answer ... I have too many old lever guns waiting for their chance to go hunting. Kirk, You need to bring the r...

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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/844804644 That one will definitely NOT work since it would require drilling an additional hole in the upper tang. Try looking at this website. They have several that will work. But you are going to have to really want one!! https://thea.com/Vintage-Gun-Parts-Lyman-Gun...

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Just got this in the mail yesterday. A fellow from northern BC contacted me and said he is responsible to sell off the estate of someone who passed away there. He sent me some photos of this very well-worn Winchester Model 1892 saddle ring carbine in 44-40, made in 1913, and offered it at a price t...

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Very nice shooting Kirk. Bring the rifle down here t oTexas and it will Kill hogs all day long with that sort of group. Hit them right behind the ear and about an inch low and they tend to go FLOP!

Michael

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10 rounds plus the magazine?? You plan on missing a lot?

Michael

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My feeling is that the second buck will look a hell of a lot better NEXT year! If it is that "close to call" let him walk and put some more meat in the freezer with another deer. How many set of antlers do yo ureally need?

Michael

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one of my favorite thought themes... and then He saw that light is good . . . and proceeded . . . and the flora was established before sol was even created......put that in your pipe and smoke it charlie darwin ! 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the frui...

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Thanks Michael. I'm not sure why there's such a disparity, particularly as the serial number doesn't appear to have been tampered with. I only paid $180 for it at an auction and it will still make an interesting small game rifle, albeit now with a few questions about its history. The original seria...

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Good morning, Based on the photos you sent me 16737 is not the original serial number of the rifle. The font style is not correct and the numbers too large for that range of production. In addition, the upper tang stamp on the receiver is not correct for a 5 digit gun. That tang stamp style did not ...

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Hello JFE, Can you send me a photo of the SN? Is it perfectly centered on the bottom of the receiver or is it offset left or right? My reason for asking is that according to the original production ledgers SN 16737 was manufactured during 1893 as a saddle ring carbine! It is possible that the first ...

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Hello everyone, I have an old 1892 rifle that I bought as a project. It's been on the back burner for a while and I think I should get this one going while I can still use open sights. It has all the features that I like in such a rifle: Straight grip Half mag with button mag Octagonal barrel No sa...

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You guys are ALL totally missing the critical point here. " the fatal bullet lay flattened against the rock" It really does not matter what you shoot it through. The rock deformed the bullet and stopped it.

Michael

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Just a thought. Death row possibilities???!!!

Michael

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Wow, thanks guys! Great responses, and the last one about it originally being a rifle cartridge sure was an eye opener and something I never realised. Debating on selling my M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer to pick up a ‘73, but I don’t think I could do BP clean up... can they take light smokeless? Eh, ...

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Hello David, I only collect Winchester so I can give a comparison opinion. I own 40 Model 1892's in all calibers and they are very fine rifles. The "modern Loads" are no problem to shoot in these vintage rifles since they are loaded to the exact original pressure and velocity characteristi...

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How in the world do you use that peep sight on the 25-35 rifle at the top? It is WAY to close to the eye isn't it??

Michael

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I got a call from the gunsmith to whom I shipped my Winchester 1892 for relining. All he received was an empty box. I'm going to file a police report for a stolen firearm tomorrow but in the meantime I'm posting this here: Type: Lever action rifle Make: Winchester Model: 1892 Serial number: 100156 ...

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Hello You can not obtain a “factory letter” from the Cody Firearms museum for any Model 71 rifle. There are no existing production ledgers for the 71’s. The determining factor for checkered stocks is wether or not the rifle was a deluxe or standard grade rifle. To determine if the checkering is fact...

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Hello 338,

If you will send me some photos of the rifle and the serial number I can definitively tell you what you have. Include all stamped writing and the sights. 2bitrifles@gmail.com

Thanks,
Michael

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Re read your original post after the fact but have the serial number which is 59492 hope that helps! Thanks for the serial number. I will assume that the rifle has a standard round barrel and is chambered for Short, Long, and LR? The small upper tang of the receiver should be drilled and tapped wit...

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Local LGS has one on the used rack for $900.00 USD ( Bridge's sportsmen center ) very nice condition. appears to be tapped for a peep and they claim to have the original box .http://www.bridgesportsmen.com/UsedGunsStore/UsedGuns.cfm?FormUsedGunsMain_Sorting=3&FormUsedGunsMain_Sorted=&FormUs...

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Thanks for checking for me Sixgun. It is at the end of the range when the rifles were marked that way.

Michael

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This is # 269815. 1904?? .44 wcf. I was told it came off a Indian reservation in the Dakota`s. It has a leather wrist stock repair, the hammer spur was broke off and the rifling is gone. Unfortunately it was stole out of my house in 2003 in california along with some other old western guns I had. h...

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Thanks much Yooper2 for the PM with information regarding your rifle. I have added it into my survey. Any chance you live in the UP of Michigan?

Michael

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Good morning Sixgun, Thanks so much for adding your rifle into the survey. It is a 1941 vintage rifle and is correct for its SN range. The change from the short to long slide handle occurred around SN 44,000 and the tang was S&T for another 9000 rifles after yours. Any chance that there is a &qu...

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It has been 4 years since I gave this post a "bump" up the topic line so I figure it is time to do a bit of self promotion. I started my research of the Model 1892 rifles almost 8 years ago and now have collected data on just over 12,300 individual rifles. Yes it has take an unbelievable a...

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It has been almost 5 years now since I started working on this research project. In that time I have now collected data on just over 5,600 individual rifles (1.6% of the total production) from all over the world. I can not say thank you enough to all who have helped and gladly given information on e...

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308magtip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:32 pm guess I am one of the not so perfect people.i stand corrected.8 sided is correct.

That's alright. Come on over here and join the crowd!! And save those geometry teachers from another turn.
Michael

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My late uncle had a Winchester Model 1894 with a cresent buttplate,sadle ring,and what may have been a 30" 6 sided barrel in cal 32.40.This was the sweetest shooting rifle I ever had the chance to shoot.I had it appraised in the mid 80's and was offered $2,000 for it.Sadly it was reserved for ...

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Never seen a six sided barrel on a Winchester. Might want to check and make sure the other two sides are still there. :wink: jb 8) Yeah. Every time I hear of a "hex barrel" Winchester I can clearly hear the sound of +/-58,000 geometry teachers rolling over in their graves. Winchester barr...

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Good morning, It sounds like you are well on your way to a remedy for the rifle. Could I please get more information about your Model 92 so that I can add it into my research survey in support of an eventual reference book? https://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355 I will be happy to an...

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Hello, The barrel is definitely NOT original to the gun. In addition the gun has been refinished as suspected.The sling attachments and inlay in the stock is not original. It is only worth what you want to pay for it. The next person may totally disagree. It had no collector value and therefore that...

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Hello, Real Winchester rifles are only highly valuable if they are in their original configuration, no parts replaced or changed, and in high condition. ANY variation from that seriously decreases the possible value of the gun. If you are not a collector and just looking for a hunting tool then buy ...

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You call driving around in a 85 acre pen with dogs chasing the hogs a "hunt"??? Not in my book. Sorry! And the guys in a big whopping 35 acre pen?? Oh wow, so hard to do.

Michael

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Just came in today down at Targetmaster from the giant collectors gun funnel in the sky. Naaaaa.....it ain't for sale. The owners dad brought it home from South Africa 40 years ago and just wants it cleaned up. 15" barreled 1892 Trapper SRC in 44 WCF. Except for the front sight and rear carbin...

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We have visited a couple of times and it is a wonderful destination.

Michael

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