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Nobody shot a condor, from what I understand. The condor ate game containing lead pellets, and ingested them.

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Well it's enough for me to swear off hot-roddin'. No more pistol stuff in big cases for me. If it doesn't fill 3/4 full or more, I won't load it anymore. My wife wishes I'd give it up completely anyhow (at least the reloading part). She read over my shoulder and noticed those pictures. "What th...

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I've since rechambered my 464 to Ackley Improved. Have been fire-forming brass, but it's still just as accurate doing that as it is shooting in the old standard chamber! :) Can't wait to try making up some Hornady FTX rounds in Ackley Improved. My goal is to match or best factory Hornady Leverevolut...

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I'm going on near 400 rounds now -- extractor is perfect as it should be.

I think you may have gotten an early one with the 'teething problems'. I'm having a blast with my 464, since I got it fixed.

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I was down in Salt Lake over the weekend, and went into a good shop there. I counted a dozen AR15 receivers, and 20 AR15s of different types on the wall. They had an M1A, some Saigas, plenty of stuff.

Receivers were priced at $199, however.

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I must also add, that I shot my best 50-yard group ever while fireforming some Federal Fusion factory rounds. It was a true 3/4" group (furthest two were 3/4" apart.) My lead-nosed hand loads are not shooting nearly as well as the factory ones did. :) Going to have to try some jacketed bul...

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I was worried whether or not I'd be able to ream the chamber without removing the barrel from the action. No problem! After sliding the bolt out, I was able to slide the reamer down into the chamber with ease. I used an extension for a 3/8" ratchet, which fit the square end of the reamer nearly...

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How about 1.90cc of Trail Boss? I think that works out to around 9 grains.

My favorite light load for 30-30. Put a Plinker boolit of some sort on top, you are good to go. I've used from 110 up to 170 grains, and they all shoot wonderfully.

It's around 1100 FPS -- a 22 on serious steroids.

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I saw a Mossberg at Big Five yesterday. Outside fit and finish looked every bit as good as the competition. The birch stocks are pretty plain though. I must agree with you there. Fit and finish is quite fine on my 464. However, it's stock definitely says UTILITY. Nothing super pretty about it, just...

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Picked up a box of Federal Fusion 170gr. We will see how they shoot.

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I have not fired any factory yet. I would like to do that, and also compare factory accuracy to what little I've been able to do with hand loads so far. When I do that, I will post some results pictures.

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Yup, it's looking to be a bit flattened. You can also see a crater beginning to form around the firing pin indentation as the pressures go up. At 32 grains, there was no crater ridge. You can DEFINITELY make out a crater ridge around all the firing pin indentations at 36 grains. 36 grains was a MAXI...

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Talked to an engineer at Hodgdon to ask him about using magnum primers in cold weather with BL(C)-2 -- he recommended I leave the magnums alone, and stick with the regular primers. As I was working towards the higher end of the scale, I could raise pressures too much. I stuck with my Remington prime...

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I'm sure you'll share with us when you've completed the transition, but let us know how it turns out! We'd love to see pictures.

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Mossberg seems to think it's strong as well. One of the options when they asked 'what caliber should we introduce next?' was 444 Marlin. That is quite a stout round.

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Ooohhh didn't know that! I was using Remington Large Rifle primers. I may go grab some Magnum primers if what you say is true, and re-run the tests. To say the least, my results weren't near as spectacular as I had hoped for.

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major wrote:I agree and they have always been within reach of the poor mans budget...

It's what is making this 464 I have out to be my favorite rifle... I am a scrounger anyhow (brass, boolits, etc.) and to be able to get a good rifle at that price is outstanding.

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Will it shoot 2" at 100 yards? Can't be sure there. Mine certainly might, given the right load, but I've not done it yet. I have not shot any factory through it yet -- I've been experimenting with Ranch Dog boolits and only two types of powder so far. I have lots of testing to still do. Minute ...

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Added new pictures... http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/target005Small.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/target006Small.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/target001Small.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/targe...

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http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/30.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/31.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/32.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/33.jpg Just starting to make out a ridge around the firing pin...

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http://sourceforge.net/projects/reloadersrfrnce/ Wiljen has compiled reloading data from all over the place, copies of owner's manuals, and tons of other errata into a database. It's so huge, you need to download it in sections! You may be able to just grab the "ManualsG-M.exe" and see if ...

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Anyone seen a pistol-gripped one in person yet? Or does Big 5 just have the straight-stockers still?

Hop on it boys, that is a dang good deal on a dang fine rifle! I sent 50 more rounds through my 464 again today, doing some load development. It's a tack driver!

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Load development day! 30-30 is a new round for me, and this Mossberg 464 is a new rifle, so I have some work to do. However, this kind of work is certainly fun. It was a gorgeous morning here in Southeast Idaho. The sun was up, temperature a balmy 15 degrees F, 30.52 in. barometric pressure, 62% hum...

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I love mine, too. Works great now that I have the extractor bug worked out.

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Before I saw OJ's pictures, I shot off an e-mail to XS Sights to see what set might fit a 464. I kind-of had forgotten about it, until this morning, when an e-mail arrived from the XS gang: I have looked at a 464 and everything about it is going to require things made specifically for the 464. We ar...

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"Going to sleep" is a term I picked up from high-power shooters. The heavier ones often need a little distance before they settle in. A heavier bullet will shoot better at 300 yards than it will at 100. Not saying the total group size will necessarily be SMALLER, but if measured in minutes...

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I know a few things about .223, but most of my experience is with the AR platform. However, I think most of the same things will apply. Your friend's bolt gun has the potential to be more accurate than most ARs, but every rifle is different. You'll have to try it out. 55 grains for shooting at 100 y...

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Glad to hear that - up 'till now, the only positive reports I'd heard were from the "experts" writing for magazines. I did mount an XS ghost ring on mine - guess I'll have to give it another try -: Any pictures of your setup? I sent an e-mail to XS Sights to see which set would work on a ...

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Here are the only two pictures I took of the original extractor before I sent it back... http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/mossberg2.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/mossberg3.jpg I can't really tell very well -- I had to boost the contrast up as they wer...

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You running them in a 1 in 10, or 1 in 12" twist barrel?

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Sorry forgot to include the link!

http://www.castbullet.com/misc/tdown.htm

Junior Doughty wrote the article -- I found it really helpful to get things apart.

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You mean some full house stuff? Yup, I'll get it covered. Hornady factory Lever rounds, Winchester factory rounds, and some of my own heavy loads. I want to see how hard these Ranch Dog boolits can be pushed -- some say just around 2000 fps, but I am wondering if they will hold up to that speed in t...

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Made a good little pile of brass up today! Guess I should get some more loaded up asap -- this is a fun little rifle! http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/handyrandyrc/464-02.jpg I used 1.90cc of Trail Boss with a Ranch Dog 30-30 boolit on top. I dip them in Alox, Ranch Dog style, and pushed the...

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For what it's worth, here is a picture of the new extractor, installed.

I think they've gotten it right. Just put 52 rounds through it today without a hitch.

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I can't really tell if there is a difference. They both look identical, other than my broken one is missing the 'tooth' (it broke off!) If any difference, it may be a simple heat treat missed or something. They literally look the same.

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Oh yes, and one more thing I wanted to clear up. While the barrel bands might appear to be plastic to some folks, they are actually made of STEEL. Probably investment castings, but metal nonetheless!

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Junior Doughty, your informative article on tear down of a Winchester 94 helped me immensely! The Mossberg is patterned after the 94, and many of the major parts seem very similar, if not near identical. I would have taken a long time trying to get it apart, were it not for your guide as a reference...

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You say you spoke with Mossberg about the extractor problems on the 464? Were they able to say what caused the problems? I understand they say thay have 'fixed' it, but what did it take to fix? Interested -- have a 464 with a broken extractor right now...

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Last time I second guess a wise old feller.

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Okay, got off the phone with Mossberg. Didn't have a 20-minute wait -- to be fair, this time I only waited 5. :) Before I said anything else, I asked to hear what work was done on the rifle. I told them there was no manifest included to indicate anything was done. I was told that the extractor was r...

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I may see if I can get them to send out an extractor (or two or three!) at no cost. Perhaps I can change it out myself...

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I got my Mossberg 464 back from the repair facility today. Checked the serial number to make sure it was the one I sent out -- yup! Attention turned to the extractor -- it looked nearly the same as the one I sent in! In fact, so MUCH like the one I sent in, that I believe it was the VERY broken/bent...

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My 464 should be arriving Wednesday or thereabouts this week. I have 300 Ranch Dog TLC311-165-RF sized, lubed, and ready to roll. I used my Dad's 464 to measure how deeply to seat the Ranch Dog boolit. Seated to the crimp groove, lever has a slight bit of friction at closing, as the boolit engages t...

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I'm not offended whatsoever, OJ. It's been back to the factory and returned, and it sounds like you had a screw break, which they replaced. Seems like they resolved your issues, no? I'm still holding my judgement, but giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will stand behind their product and...

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No I have not seen a .22LR version in person yet. However, I do also see they are new offering a a new pistol grip stock (Marlin style) in addition to the straight stock, both in centerfire chambering.

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From the Mossberg 2009 annual, I just read the "Visit with Iver Mossberg" article. He serves as the CEO currently, with his father as the head of the board. Iver's grandfather was the one who started the company. Iver Mossberg: "The lever action is now only in plain-vanilla .30-30, bu...

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Okay, still waiting. Sent on 10 Dec. Arrived 18 Dec (according to Mossberg). Happy New Year! It's been sitting on someone's bench for a week now (according to the last couple of calls I've made). No diagnosis has been made yet in their log. I'll bet it is sitting in a box waiting to be worked on sti...

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Are you able to take a close up photo of your extractor? Mine is in the 3xxx serial number range, and is at Mossberg right now to fix the extractor.

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I have it packed up and ready to go back to Mossberg. My local retailer wouldn't/couldn't do anything for me, even though they had another new one sitting on the shelf. Mossberg says they will make it right, so now starts the wait...

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Since I have never dealt with them, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I've been told to ship it in for repair. I could also try and see if my local retailer has another on the shelf he'd trade me for, and allow him to send in for repair. However, I'd be checking the other one over really cl...

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